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I JUST AQUIRED THIS SA ROHM AND WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU. JOE

SORRY THE PICTURES ARE TOO SMALL,ILL TRY TO ADJUST THEM JOE

Joe has asked me to post the following photos for him! Glad to help out, Joe! Nice Dag, man!
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Hi Joe Linge,the maker mark on your dagger is the wrong mark for an SA dagger,its mainly found on bayonets and swords,the maker mark I have posted is the SA mark,
Plus I do'nt think they were Rohm makers, nats

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I may regret saying this but... I don't like the looks of this one.
I am NO expert, I may well be wrong.
As long as you are happy with it Joe, that's all that counts.
Sorry to be the first to post on it and have "bad news". Maybe someone who knows more than me (most anyone ) can give an opinion.
Good luck,
Johnny

No doubt about it !
100% complete fake and actually a very bad reproduction.
Not even close !
Hope you can get your money back.

Joe, FWIW, This is what I see, without any preconceptions. Blade looks very nice with good Crossgrain, except for some runner marks, The Motto, Dedication, and Maker mark all look consistent in depth and color. Crossguard to blade fit is good. I have seen that same maker mark on an SA and an SS in the past, and on an Army dagger I think! So it wasn't just on Bayonets. The condition throughout looks all the same. That is a Super rare Combo that I have never seen, but I am not going to just dismiss it out of hand just because I have never seen it. Looks fine to me! If You let these guys shake you, send me an E-mail! 3FL

Joe, Can you break it down and take a pic showing the tang and internals? Send me a pic like you did the others and I will post it, Thanks! 3FL

Hi 3fl.I do'nt think Paul Seilheimer was an SS maker, nats

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Nats, I may have to give you that one! But, I am almost sure I have seen that mark on both an SA and an SS! I am positive I have seen this same mark on an SA and an Army! Seems like I saw the SS in an old Whittman Catalog. I will see if I still have it. More later! 3FL

As I said, the Rohm inscription is 100% fake.
Anyone that claims that this Rohm is authentic, never had a Rohm blade in his hands.
It doesn't even come close to an original one.
No offence intended but you can see it from a mile away that the Rohm engraving is completely bogus.
Will post a pic of an original one once I get home and you'll see how different they both are.
Get your money back and run away as fast as you can.

This maker marked also never made any SA blades.
There is another Paul Seilheimer that did produced an SA blade but it is another one with the "P S" maker marked and NOT the "dog holding the sword".
The blade, aside from the fake Rohm inscription, is also fake.
Please, just notice the high ridge central line on the blade. They didn't make those types of high ridge blade on early maker marked but only on late RZM type ( after 1936 ).
This dagger has so many red flags that it is almost funny.

That's all folks !

To my knowledge, Joe, no SA or SS daggers were made with that trademark. Sorry. In addition, I agree with the comments about the shape of the blade and the crossgrain.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Dave

Hi 3fl,if you check this link out ,you will see Gailens answer. nats

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/477091573/...963034805#8963034805

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Sorry Nats, There is nothing by Gailen in that link! Am I missing something, or did you post the wrong link? 3FL

SO DOES THAT MEAN IF SOMEONE FINDS A NEVER SEEN BEFORE DAGGER THAT ITS NO GOOD ?3FL SAID THAT HES SEEN ONE IN THE PAST.IF NO ONE HAS ONE TO COMPARE IT TO HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS FAKE.TOM JOHNSON AND MANY OTHERS THINK THERE ARE MANY UNEXPLORED DAGGERS OUT THERE.EACH DAGGER MAKER HAS ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS.EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU CAN SAY FAKE BY LOOKING AT PICTURES.I HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND APPRECIATE ALL COMENTS. JOE

PAT, I CANT SEE IT FROM A FOOT AWAY CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME. MANY THANKS. JOE

Joe,

Here's your enlightment !
Like I said, I've seen better repros out there.
Please, notice the letter "T" on the word Ernst and also the last 2 letters in the word Rohm.
Pretty obvious !
No need to get so touchy either as we are only trying to help you out.
No doubts about it and there is no possible variables or "special" blade...............it is 100% fake.

You know guys, I am holding a Rohm dagger by F. Dick in my hand right now! Is it a fake? I have never seen another one and he is not listed as a Rohm maker either. But it looks fine and meets all of what I understand is the criteria for originality. One thing I have really learned over the years of collecting this stuff is that the more you learn the more you should realize how little you really do know. Now Joe, I wouldn't go to the walls on yours because I haven't held it in my hand and really Looked at or had it apart, but I think from looking at the pics that it looks OK to me. I, personally, can't say I see any radical departures from the style or workmanship of the dedication from your pics like Patrice says he can. But he hasn't said enough about what he feels he can see to let me make comparisons. I have 5 Rohm Daggers sitting here in front of me, one is mine and the others belong to another person, and comparing them to the pictures of yours, I would say they are either all fakes or all OK. Tom Johnson would not be happy with me if I decided they were all fakes since I know that 2 of the ones I am holding were sold by him. Mine is not from him, I can't play in that league! I am not really challenging anyone, and have no vested interest in this one way or the other. It is just that that is my Opinion. 3FL

I'm Sorry Patrice, From what I can see of yours, it just looks like you wrote the dedication on it with a sharpie! I see no depth to the etching at all! Are we supposed to be amazed by something? 3FL

Hi 3 fl , sorry I meant to say Mike McAlvanah.
F dick is on the list of Rohm makers,and quite a rare maker as well. nats

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Hi 3fl,heres a photo of one,nats

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Louie,

This one came from Brian Madearer and was authenticated by Gailen David and Craig Gottlieb.
It is also impossible to fake such a blade made by Henckel as they are very "special".
First, their maker marked are much lower toward the lower crossguard as compared to a none Rohm.
Secondly, all the Henckel Rohm daggers have that unique Gau mark written "BO" on the far right of their lower crossguard.
Nobody can duplicate that, unless you can find a plain blade and than etch a lower maker marked and than find a set of unmarked crossguards and write the Gau mark "BO" on the far right.
I mean c'mon, let's be serious here.

OK, I took the liberty to do this! Here are the words side by side. Patrice, Please explain the difference! I try to keep an open mind.

OOPs, I didn't expect it to come out so small! let me try again.

Here,s a picture with a flash and you can better appreciate the debt of the inscription.
I agree that the etching is hard to see when I'm not using any flash but it was done on purpose, to better appreciate the differences.

NATS, WHY IS IT THE WRONG MAKER MARK ?IF YOU WERE MAKING ROHM DAGGERS WOULDNT YOU PUT A DIFFERENT MARK ON IT THEN ON A PLAIN SA ?THERE ARE PLENTY OF MAKER MARKS WITH DIFFERENCES,SUCH AS ADOLF VOLKER (2)ALCOSO(3) EICKHORN(3)F.DICK(1)FOR SA (1)FOR ROHM DAGGERS JACOBS&CO.(2)TIGER(2)WKC(5)ETC.DO YOU AGREE OR NOT ? JOE.

Hopefully!

OK, This is joe's and yours for comparison! Man, I fail to see any appreciable differences! What am I missing? Please? 3FL

Hi Joe,you could be right,as you say most of the Rohm daggers have different makers marks,and closer to the xguards to make room for the dedication.I'am no expert,I can only go on what I have seen,and I have never seen a rohm dagger by that maker.you should email you photos to Gailen and see what he says,Good luck I hope you are right,Regards nats

Granted, there is a darker burnish in yours. But that varies trmendously between makers.

Louie,

The "T" on the Ersnt and the "R" on the Rohm and the "m" in the last letter of the word Rohm and the horizontal bar on top of the word Rohm are way out of line and do not match any known "textbook" Rohm inscription.
It is also the same with the rest of the whole inscription.
Will post pic of the whole inscription and you'll see many differences.
You have to remember that there was only 1 known template for the Rohm inscription and they should therefore ALL be the same.........NO EXCEPTION !!!!!
There is no variables in any Rohm blades.
Even if the Rohm inscription was original, which isn't the case, the maker marked DOES NOT EXIST ON SA'S OR SS'S AND THERE IS NO KNOWN ORIGINAL.
Even if the trademark did exist, the blade is still wrong, having a high center ridge which CANNOT BE POSSIBLE on an early blade.

Gailen, Craig or anyone with little of experience in Rohm's will tell you that this is a complete fake.
And as I've said again, this is not even a good repro and I've seen much, much better fakes out there.

I'm not much of a computer wizard but could somone be capable of putting side by side, my full inscription with his ?


The full inscription is so different from an original one that it should now be pretty obvious.....I hope !

Joe... I disagree. There were NO Rohm inscription daggers made by Jacobs, Tiger or WKC. If you have one of these 3FL is probably selling them to you. Either that or you are both smoking the same cornsilk.

Skyline...

Asside from the etch (which I don't like) and the maker mark (as previously discussed as BAD).
The central ridge is too sharp,
the crossgraining looks re-done,
the blade shape itself looks a little off,
and the grip does not even come close to meeting up with the crossguard.
How many red flags do you need.
PS. The anodizing is damn suspicious too.

PSS. Again, I am not an expert, this is my OPINION and although I may well be wrong on a few of the above points, I doubt I am wrong on all of them.
Either way, Joe I would strongly suggest that you send this dagger to a true expert and have an appraisal done. Whittmann, Johnson, etc. will be able to put your mind at ease, one way or the other.
Good luck to you.

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I'm not much of a computer wizard but could somone be capable of putting side by side, my full inscription with his ?

By your command.

Skyline (same)

Thank you Rev !
Now we can actually see the obvious differences between both inscriptions.

Hey Guys, I dropped back by! Having fun? Hey Skyline, What did I EVER do to you to make you start throwing around lies and accusations you can't back up? I have been nothing but Polite to you! What up? 3FL

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If you have one of these 3FL is probably selling them to you.

I think you owe me an Apology for that Crack! 3FL