#11868
03/27/2010 01:49 AM
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found this at auction,,is it original???..
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#11869
03/27/2010 01:50 AM
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marked "21" on back plate
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#11870
03/27/2010 02:39 AM
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I have never handled one, but looking at it, an from what I do know about them, I think it may be real~! (they are really rare)
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#11871
03/27/2010 04:09 PM
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I think it is real. Sold for $1000, plus 15% commission. Well bought, I would say.
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#11872
03/27/2010 08:22 PM
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yep that was cheap. who had it?
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#11873
03/27/2010 09:42 PM
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Auction house in SC. Not sure of the name. "Meares" or "Mearen." Something close.
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#11874
03/27/2010 09:57 PM
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Does snyone know what the weird little clip thingies are under the nuts?
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#11875
03/27/2010 11:59 PM
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#11876
03/28/2010 12:28 AM
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i thought these were made from aluminum,,,this one did not look like it was,but a different base medal,,,
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#11877
03/28/2010 01:38 AM
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would be interesting what you see on the badge reverse. The front looks convincing to me but would need a better photo of the skull, clear and in detail. The backing plate and the scews on this example are for my view not the original ones to this badge. Also I don't want to say much details as I don't want to school the fakers. In case you can send me always an email as well.
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#11878
03/28/2010 01:59 AM
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I don't know for certain, but believe at least some were made of nickel-silver.
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#11879
03/28/2010 02:28 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Grumpy: Does snyone know what the weird little clip thingies are under the nuts?
I would say they are "French locks", so the nuts don't back off.
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#11880
03/28/2010 02:43 AM
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Thanks, Raymond. Never saw the critters before.
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#11881
03/28/2010 04:07 AM
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Here's a photo I pirated for my files.
It is a newer copy and shows the weak parts.
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#11882
03/28/2010 04:13 AM
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,,mom has a ...mustache? Now I don't feel so bad about missing this jewel. When it seems too good to be true... At a k+...I'd be
In Memory of Joe Mann Medal of Honor Recipient July 8, 1922 � September 19, 1944
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#11883
03/28/2010 04:29 AM
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Rats! They're reproducing EVERYTHING!
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#11884
03/28/2010 05:05 AM
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Totaly fabricated reproduction.
Originals never were produced in silver but always in aluminum to match the Tuxedo's aluminum buttons.
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#11885
03/28/2010 09:12 AM
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Thanks John for putting it in perspective. Its definitely NOT something I would have wasted money on. Seiler (Yank in UK)
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#11886
03/28/2010 06:00 PM
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When were these first manufactured? There is so little information on them, these repro's could have fooled me (and others, too, apparently). I can understand why information on authentic ones are not made public to foil the fakers. It used to be repro's of these were easily spotted, with their pinback attachments, incorrect skull designs, etc. Now, if you can find one that looks real, it's another headache to deal with wondering if it's the real thing.
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#11887
03/28/2010 09:59 PM
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I'm glad that John chimed in on this one. As far as I know he's one of the few guys that has an original.
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#11888
03/29/2010 02:57 AM
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Again, I do not have one. And I understand the secrecy with these, as Herr Robert said, we don't need to school the fakers. But are all the tuxedo buttons done in aluminum? I could have sworn I saw some in a silver high-polish (non aluminum) finish over the years.
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#11889
03/30/2010 07:52 PM
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All originals I know of are made in aluminium and really sharp. The reverse back plate and nuts are totally bogus as Robert and others pointed out.
It is a sad fact that there exists very good cast reproduction of this rare badge. However I do not think they have got the reverse correct yet. And the sloppy letters as pointed out are clear give aways. Because so few has handled a real one it makes it even harder to sort out a a bad one from the originals.
Photos of the reverse of originals should never be published in open.
I own a fully intact original Tuxedo badge from the estate of Untersturmfuhrer Yngve Hellenborg. A lucky find but I had to pay dearly for it.
//Felix
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#11890
03/30/2010 11:50 PM
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felix,,,could you pm me with a pic of the reverse?...it would be very much appreciated,,i will keep it under lock and key..
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#11891
03/31/2010 12:29 PM
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Thanks for all of the great info guys! That's why I love this forum, I can always learn something new.
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