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Hello.

I picked this up about 2 weeks ago from a local fair. It was the first time a fair had been held at the venue and as it was close I popped along. This came from a long term collector who had set up a table. He was not sure how the fair would pan out. So he bought a selection from his home. This item immediately grabbed my colleagues eye and he rang me before it went on general display. I asked him to put it aside for me and when I arrived I had no hesitation in buying it.

Once more I step out of my comfort zone and would like any comment or opinions on this item.

I have asked a few people to comment locally and we feel there is every chance that it is a third Reich item. The crossed guns and party emblem are not a later addition.

Regards Frank

grip

acorn

clam

hound

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xguard

xguard 2

xguard 3

scabb

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last one.

Hope you enjoyed seeing it. This is one I may never see the likes of again.

If you would like any other views please let me know.

This is a shot of the other side of the x guard taken earlier as the sun came out.

Spock:

I am not the shooting/hunting expert, but I do not like the etch. If you look at the picture with the gun in it, notice that the etch bleeds into the bottom border while leaving a lot of space at the top border.

Also, the picture of the rear etch close to the cross guard has some not very straight lines in it... not something that I associate wit TR production values.

John

John.

The etch is okay, I have had a good look. I cannot quite grasp why a TR item should have any more stringent quality control than a non TR item. Considering most , if not all were manufactured by the same craftsmen.

If you had this in your hand you would see what I mean, the pictures give it a somewhat shiny appearance and also reflects a few marks that are not as pronounced.

Thank you for your observations but I am more than happy with this, there is no way this is a fake, which I assume you are implying. I do hope the rest of it is not suspect????

Spock:

The only thing I am saying about the etch is that, if you look at the lines under the feet of the deer, they look a little wavy. It may be the angle of the shot, and I acknowledge that in hand is different and better view than with pictures.

I am used to lines and borders that are more straight. Now, I am talking about etches and have only one hunting item to compare to and that one is very different from this one.

I am not implying anything about the authenticity of this piece at all.

John

The edge etch on the other side.

John

Looking at the etch on your Eickhorn I can see where the edge was trimmed on the obverse. You can see the shooters boot, stock of the gun and the enclosed semi circle have been trimmed prior to acid. Someone would argue that this is also not correct. However you can see the reason for it. The etch would have distorted had it been placed on the fuller end. So the blade maker trimmed it to improve the appearence.

The actual design on yours would have been enclosed in the same manner as the side with the shooter aiming. Not all etches are the same and some are even one off designs. So there will always be some anomalies, it is what makes the subject so interesting. I love the detail on these fine etches. It is a reflection of the artistry these craftsmen possessed and we have now sadly lost.

This piece is 100% correct in everyway, there is nothing wrong with the etch, I have held this piece and had the time to study it, there are no if's buts or maybe's, it is a piece oozing with class and in wonderful condition. In my opinion I see no reason that this piece is not early 3rd reich, I believe after studying the crossed rifles and swastika it was made this way in the factory.
I have only seen this clamshell once before and then only about 6 months ago, it's what I like about collecting these types of edged weapons, there's always something new just over the horizon.

Nice piece Frank

Gary

Spock:

I apologize if my comments on the etch were taken to imply anything about the authenticity of this fine looking piece.

I meant my comments to be more taken as questions than as criticisms.

John

I do not mind having things pointed out to me, some times I am blinded by the beauty of an item and overlook the odd mark. I also think the photos did not help, the shadow is in the fuller and when I took the pictures I wanted to get the etch side on. When you look at the etch along the length of the blade the lines are all straight. It is an optical illusion.

So no need to apologise. I post here to share my items with people. We have an interest that is very difficult to put on display for many reasons not the least being security. So the best way for others to see them is to post and in an area I am unsure of I like to think I get sound advice. I am in the process of cataloging a section of my daggers and My good wife has given me permission to cover the lounge floor for a group photo shoot, So watch the forums it should be quite funny.

Gary thanks for the comment glad you could see it in the flesh. They say a picture is worth a thousand words but hands on is worth a thousand pictures. Imagine what will happen if I get the sword that goes with the pennant I told you about....And post that on a forum?

spock,
Thanks for sharing your find with us. I learn as well from these unique pieces. I knew the etch, grip,and pommel was correct. But since it was a new one to me, I just wasn't positive if the crossguard and shell was originally matched to the piece or if it was possibly the owner who had it configured in that way. I just wasn't sure so I had no comment. I'm glad we have Gary, Houston, Bill and others to help us out with this stuff. A wonderful looking piece to be sure. Thanks for letting us learn from it.

Gary, Thanks again for clarifing this.

Period reference of hirschf�nger patterns during the 3rd Reich period is normally limited to Eickhorn and WKC, sometimes if you lucky you'll find a little pamphlet, this one is quite apt as it shows a similar piece to Spock's though by no means the same, what it does show is that this pattern with this type crossguard were produced during this period.
This picture is just to prove the pamphlet is from the 3rd Reich period.

Gary

Here you'll see the dogs/stag head crossguard, notice also it is for a sch�tzen piece.

Gary