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#113278 03/04/2006 01:25 PM
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Gentlemen,

I am not much of a sword collector, so I would like your advise on this one: Heer lionhead with triple etched blade an a makersmark, I have never seen before...

Anyone knows who made this sword?

Thanks and greetings,

Herman

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#113281 03/04/2006 03:45 PM
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Would also like to know what the engraving is about: "In treue fest"
Thanks.

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#113282 03/04/2006 03:55 PM
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I can help you with the etchin. "In Treue Fest" means "in steadfast loyalty" or something to that effect. It indicates that your sword is Bavarian because that is the Bavarian motto, analagous to "Mit Gott fur Kaiser und Vaterland" which is the Prussian motto. I hope this answers your question. I cannot help with the maker ID. JOe S

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I’ve never seen the maker before and the one IMO who had the best grasp of period German makers most regrettably passed away unexpectedly (the late Anthony Carter). If I had to guess it could be a rehilted Imperial era Bavarian infantry officer’s sword, although there is nothing to preclude it being a later one made for someone with strong Bavarian feelings. FP

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Joe, Fred,

Thanks a lot for your valuable input.

What seems most strange to me is that their is a year (1898) integrated in the makersmarck and that the marck is engraved (not etched or stamped).
I believe it is a cavalry sword, as it pictures two crossed swords on the obverse.

Best regards,

Herman


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#113285 03/05/2006 08:55 AM
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Due to your wonderful pics I am sure it IS a stamped trademark. 1898 could be the year of foundation of the certain company, therefore no real hint on the time of manufacturing this blade.
You have a very interesting and nice conditioned degen here. It has the motto of the imperial times and the total "look" of the 3.R.


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Nice sword! It was made by Alcoso.
Maybe it`s a distibuter`s mark.

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Wotan,

Thanks for your valuable input.

Mark,

What makes you conclude that this is an Alcoso product?

Am I correct to conclude that it is a cavalry sword?

Greetings,

Herman

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#113289 03/05/2006 04:23 PM
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I'm inclined to agree with FP on this one. Here is a another example - a Heer sabel I owned at one time. It's a Lion Head pommel with an E&S langet. The blade has an early WKC trademark on a straight fluted blade. I apologize for the quality of the picture - this was taken in the "Polaroid" era.


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I would swear the blade is etched and not engraved. Are you sure about that? Joe S

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Page 68 in Angolia`s sword book. Smile

#113293 03/06/2006 04:41 PM
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@Joe S, the blade is etched the maker´s mark (or distributor´s mark)is stamped.


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#113294 03/07/2006 07:25 PM
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Very interested mark .

#113295 03/09/2006 03:39 AM
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Herr Mann,

To add to the other good feedback here, the hilt is an ALCOSO Nr. 22, which is pictured in an early factory catalog. The trademark on the Bavarian style etched blade is one which I have never seen before. The sword is probably a period factory re-hilt, which is occasionally seen today by sword collectors.
This hilt pattern is also seen with an ADOLF BRAUN, BERLIN distributor marked blade, as well as the normal ALCOSO, SOLINGEN trademark.

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Fred, Denny, Joe, Mark, Wotan, Deutscher and Ace,

Thank you all for the valuable information and comments. I have learned a lot about my sword via this post.

Best regards,

Herman


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#113297 03/11/2006 02:31 AM
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It's a very nice sword Herr Mann.


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