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ORPO, I browsed this thread many times but only today I noticed there are some disproportions in Bootsf�hrer uniform You've posted in 2004. As You said this uniform was made in 1990 - the last year of DDR - but shouldeboards don't match to 1990 and I think to metallic Unterf�hrer collar patches too.
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Paul, Excellent uniforms!  Technically, the Stasi evolved into a quasi-military organization but their authority continued to come from the Ministry for State Security. I tend to look at "police" organizations as those of the Ministry of the Interior, but I know what you mean. There is no real bright line with some of these organizations such as the Environmental law enforcement folks and the Forestry law enforcement people, who did not answer to the MdI. The Grenzschutz also evolved from the Grenzpolizei and became separated from the MdI chain of command when the NVA was formed. So, they are really separate with the exception of the 1940s-50s Grenzpolizei. There is some controversy over the Civil Defense shoulder boards. Do yours have black centers? If so, I believe they would be Feuerwehr rather than Zivilverteidigug. One correction on your Hubschreibereinheit uniform. The Transportpolizei uniform with light blue Luft- style collar tabs is correct for both officer and NCO ranks. The light blue Luft- style shoulderboards are correct for officer ranks but incorrect for NCOs according to regulations. Your NCO tunic should have standard Kornblumenblau Bisen- und Effektenfarbe shoulderboards as odd as that may seem. I suspect this is because the police and Air Force NCO ranks did not correspond. Very nice stuff.  George
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George,
That is a great ensemble! While DDR is the primary focus of my post war collection, I would love to get my hands on a West German Border Guard Camo cold weather field jacket with all insignia(and not slashed to heck).
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View of the back showing the same style of shoulder so the policeman could stand in the rain to direct traffic and still have some hope of staying dry.
It doesn't work, by the way. You still get soaked.
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VOPO visor cap from 1988 per inside markings.
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Here now my VOPO LtC dress tunic which has dbl. mtl . cuff litzen . Per inside ink stamp from 1st quarter of 1979 and MdI . Posted by Bernd.
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...and the mtl. cuff litzen.
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Close-up of upper portion . Tunic still has manufacturer's tailor paper tag stitched to the sleeve.
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Bernd,
Here is the East German version of your white traffic police coat. This one is for a female and has the winter collar attached.
George
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AND the Pol. high grade "Akademie"--school badge plus the Pol. skill 1st class cross bar.
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Here now my Major of the Correctional Police tunic. Per inside ink cancel from 1987 and MdI .
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...and one last frontal view.
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Inside still sports DDR Newspaper of that time !
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While re-reading this thread it occurs to me that we have no Feuerwehr uniforms. So, here is a uniform for the professional Firemen. It has malino police style insignia but this one is an early style without malino piping on the collar and cuffs.
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This Senior NCO has Feuerwehr Obermeister shoulder boards with black interior cords and malino colored backing.
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Finally, here is a later Feuerwehr Officer tunic showing the malino piping on the collar and the cuffs.
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The collar tabs are the NCO style with metal litzen and malino colored backing.
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Perhaps we can get the East German Polizei thread back on track with some more DDR items.
Here is another DDR Feuerwehr uniform. This one is for a female of the Volunteer Fire Department (FFW).
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Closeup view of the collar tabs and shoulder board for East German FFW. The shoulder boards on the previous picture were incorrect and these are the proper malino colored shoulder boards.
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Here is a very early FFW wool uniform with a closed collar. This uniform is for a male Sergeant. Notice that this tunic is piped.
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Closeup view of the machine sewn collar tabs and piped collar.
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Closeup view of the FFW Sergeant shoulder boards. Notice that the board centers are malino (red) instead of black signifying Volunteer Fire Department status. These are also very early DDR shoulder boards made in the old WWII style.
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Closeup view of the FW qualification badge worn on the uniform. This FW specialty indicates a Hoseman.
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"In 1952 the position of Abschnittsbevollm�chtigter was established. In addition to other duties, the ABV was basically the link to the Ministerium f�r Staatssicherheit (Stasi)."
Here is an example of the ABV uniform. These were typically officers that were considered to be involved in "Community Policing" from the point of view of the East Germans.
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ABV officers wore the same uniform as other Volkspolizei with the addition of the distinctive shoulder patch.
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I just got this great set of collar tabs and shoulder boards for the DDR -Umweltschutz und Wasserwirtschaft---Environmental Protection and Water Conservation Police . Now I need a tunic to put them on !
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...and close-up of the insignia on the tab . I like this design !
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Lower rank Shoulder Boards.
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..and a little higher rank shoulder boards.
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...and a little higher rank.
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..and my highest rank of Oberstleutnat.
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I don't know if this service wore thia gilt DDR -Navy belt buckle --put they seem to be hard to find!
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