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#10626 04/19/2009 05:28 AM
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Hi

If you ditn`t se there is a full Röhm for sale at the Weitze site.
I don`t have the cash Frown

#10627 04/19/2009 03:08 PM
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Can't find it. What's the price?

#10628 04/20/2009 05:20 PM
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It is #120235 made by Aesculaap price is €4500

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Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin 4.500 Euro for a fake Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

JMO Roll Eyes

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quote:
Originally posted by ivbaust:
Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin 4.500 Euro for a fake Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

JMO Roll Eyes


Ivbaust Got that one right!! Big Grin Razz

Now how much Weitze want for an authentic one? Big Grin Big Grin Razz

-serge-

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I must correct my statement slightly.

The dagger is a period dagger from Aesculap. Only the inscription is a fake WinkBig Grin

Here´s the link:

https://www.weitze.net/detail/...Widmung__120235.html

#10632 04/20/2009 09:23 PM
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OK Ivbaust. Wink Thanks for the correction. I guess that makes it worth it. Big Grin Eek Big Grin

But for me ...I would rather have a real inscription on a fake dagger! Razz But after all these years I haven't found one of those!! Big Grin Wink

-serge-

#10633 04/21/2009 06:39 PM
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Hi

Is it possible to explane why it is a fake and where do i have to look for

#10634 04/21/2009 06:45 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Serge (aka Wagner):
But for me ...I would rather have a real inscription on a fake dagger! Razz But after all these years I haven't found one of those!! Big Grin Wink

-serge-


ROFL ... THAT WAS A GOOD ONE Cool

#10635 04/21/2009 07:00 PM
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quote:
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Is it possible to explane why it is a fake and where do i have to look for




OK, serious now.

Without even seeing the inscription on this dagger in question, any experienced collector can tell you that it is a fake.

Aesculap honor daggers with the Röhm inscription have ALWAYS a smaller makers mark, which is closer to the crossguard compared to the larger makers mark of a regular service dagger from Aesculap.

Check this picture. On the left and on the right you can see two Aesculap honor daggers. The left one is a partial ground Röhm honor dagger, the right is fully ground from Aesculap. Check the location of the makers mark and the size compared to the one on the regular Aesculap service dagger in the middle Wink

So, how come that the full Röhm which is offered by Weitze has the wrong makers mark?

Hmmm, hard to believe that such a big dealer is not aware about this Roll Eyes

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#10636 04/21/2009 07:02 PM
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Another comparison

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#10637 04/21/2009 07:04 PM
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... some more honor daggers from Aesculap

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#10638 04/21/2009 07:05 PM
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... and some more regular service daggers from Aesculap

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#10639 04/21/2009 07:06 PM
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... and all together

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#10640 04/21/2009 07:46 PM
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Now that's impressive, never seen so many Aesculaps together. Ivbaust, why the fascination with these? Very nice Eek

Red

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Hi Ivbaust

Stanks for the explanation
I learned a lot. A beatifull collection you got there,I just have one easculaap.

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What was that M/M again Big Grin Very nice


You know you're over the hill when "Happy Hour" means Nap Time


#10643 04/22/2009 04:03 AM
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Amazing Aesculap Dagger Collection!! Now THAT is a Dedicated Collection.

Aesculap Medical Instruments are still made today, and are one of the TOP Choices for both European and US Surgeons (With probably SYNTHES Instruments from Switzerland - and some German sub-contracted / made Instruments, being the 1st choice, IMO.)

Aesculap was one of those 'strange' Companies in WWII, which made both DAGGERS and Surgical Instruments!! ....Txs, for the Visual Treat of Aesculap-ians!!!
Best... Dave/dblmed


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#10644 04/22/2009 08:28 AM
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OK... Just for FUN and also for the Educational Value of Collecting - perhaps the following are the ONLY Aesculap "Blades" which are yet missing from your Wonderful Collection! Wink

These are from a WWII Aesculap Surgical Tray which I purchased a few years ago. Wonderful quality! (As expected)

The Same, or near the Same AESCULAP Logo. .... Txs, Dave/dblmed

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#10645 04/22/2009 08:33 AM
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My 'Aesculap' surgical Instrument tray is the one, just to the RIGHT of 1b.

There were Eight (8) Individual Trays in the Original Aesculap Surgical Instrument Chest.

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#10646 04/22/2009 08:34 AM
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Nice Aesculap LOGO on the Instruments, and on the Surgical Chest.

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#10647 04/22/2009 08:38 AM
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An Aesculap LG. Surgical Scalpel - next to an Aesculap SA.....

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#10648 04/22/2009 08:40 AM
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The big Surgical Chest which held the 8 different Aesculap Surgical Trays of Instruments. .....

Well, a bit different.. Enjoy! .. Dave/dblmed

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#10649 04/24/2009 04:34 PM
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So weitze knows he has a fake for sale.
A dealer with long years of expereance?

#10650 04/25/2009 06:41 PM
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Yes. Sad but true. It was just a couple of months ago, when there was a baaad fake Herder, fullest Röhm of course,to buy for 6500 euros Roll Eyes . Only the logo contained such basic mistakes like wrong (but similar) font type, the same as the one in red frame (posted by Redbaron) http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...270041883#8270041883

It's hard to tell if Herr Weitze is aware of that, or he's got just a poor edged weapon specialist in his staff.

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This is NOT the first time....I would NOT buy anything from that site...good or not..He knows
I would bet its his name on the site.

Sepp

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#10652 04/26/2009 08:33 AM
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quote:
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Yes. Sad but true.

It's hard to tell if Herr Weitze is aware of that, or he's got just a poor edged weapon specialist in his staff.


It seems that we hear that one a lot lately. Of course only when they get caught on the forums:

1. I been on a buying trip. This one slipped by my staff.

2. Wow! Thanks guys it slipped past me!

3. heads are gonna roll on this one.

4. It's a Rohm maker logo variant. You guys need to get more experienced before you know what your talking about! Big Grin

-serge-

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Serge:

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5. It's a rare and unusual prototype. The first one I have seen.

John


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quote:
Originally posted by dblmed:
My 'Aesculap' surgical Instrument tray is the one, just to the RIGHT of 1b.

There were Eight (8) Individual Trays in the Original Aesculap Surgical Instrument Chest.


Stunning collection of these instruments Eek

Nice stuff Dave!

Gerd

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That is a very original and impressive collection ivbaust: 14 Aesculap SA's! Just wonderful!

Did they make any other 3R daggers?

Best greetings,

Herman


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Thanks, Herman.

Here´s another picture from my "Aesculap collection". From left to right:

- SA dagger (Aesculap produced regular service dagger and Röhm honor daggers)
- Long dress bayonet
- Short dress bayonet
- WW1 trench knife

All edged weapons from Aesculap carry the caduceus (crowned snake around a pole) as makers mark.

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Dave,
Thanks for the nice pics of the surgical field instrument set. Smile

I know this topic does not fit into this thread in the edged weapons section, but how about these ....

e.g. a mint dentist set from a WW2 tropical surgical instrument set

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... guess the maker Big Grin

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... another small medical field set made by Aesculap in 1939

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... also interesting is the maker of the small leather pouch ... Karl Bollmann from Tuttlingen ... located in the same town like Aesculap ... and also still today in business manufacturing leather bags for doctors

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... another surgical set made by Aesculap ... I probably not military, but also manufactured in the 30s

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ivbaust .... Somehow, I just 'thought' that you might have some of the superb Aesculap Instruments also! Good Going for the most complete Aesculap Collection!!! ...Dave/dblmed


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#10664 04/27/2009 09:12 PM
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ok, that´s enough. Back to SA daggers ... here my partial Röhm made by Aesculap ... and this one has the correct small makers mark close to the cross guard Wink

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ok, a final "Aesculap post" ... hair clipper made by Aesculap in the original cardboard box packaging with original instructions for use ... the best is a copy of the catalog and the original wooden, handcarved printing plate for printing the picture in the catalog

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