UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons HJ Edged Weapons Forum HJ LEADERS EICK MMrkd

Okay guys ,CALLING ALL EXPERTS, came across this, has MM blade. Whats your opinions,Thanks all ahead. Tiep

another

2nother

1more

Hi,

I get the same things from a fellow who shoots out a bunch of items..Im not brave enough to buy them though he offers a 30 day return

I posted the same pictures on another forum.

shoot me a PM and Ill share it.
C

I'm no expert but I have an opinion....

1. You have to be real careful with these types.

2. I do not see anything on this one that looks like a "Red Flag" to me. But better listen to the 'experts'.

-serge-

Pictures not so good. Looks OK, but the blade tip looks strange in the photo.

heres more

This rounded scab fitting is ?

mmrr

The scabbard rings also are different.

There are some things that make me wonder:

1. Pommel is screwed with two screws on both sides (should be with one on the back of the pommel)

2. Eteching is a little diferent to my Eick especialy exclamation sign.

3. I have never seen before (but I might be wrong)Eick HJ leader with logo. All I know are RZM marked.

4. The eteching is to far from the crossguard.

regards

I dont like that wide etch, all the examples Ive seen regardless of maker is much thinner and sharper, much more well defined.

Hi the same opinion have You seen HJ leader with maker mark?

Yes, very much so Collectors Militaria has one with a Hoerster MM, can you believe that? I seem to want to follow Rons opinion on MM leaders as far as Eickhorns go. T

Come on boys! There are SEVERAL different early Eickhorn TM variations on the HJ Leader. Unplated blades with the Eickhorn style motto, plated blades with the Eickhorn style motto, both with the Eickhorn TM and not RZM marked.
Soft scabbards with the fittings SCREWED ON, scabbards wtih the solid body and still the Eickhorn TM, Pommels that screw on and are not pinned, pinned pommels, etc..
Until someone does a good reference book on the HJ series, don't get all shook up about variations by Eickhorn, as they DO exist.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria, Inc.

Hello Tiep,

Yes, there are original Eickhorns with the makersmark.

The best advice you can get on these is Ron's.

Best greetings,

Herman

While I accept Ron's reasoning as to the scarce Eickhorn variations, I doubt this is one of them.

I find it odd that this seller has this rare HJ for 2000 Euros, way under valued, and he happened to have a similar one a few months back, also sold cheap. He has lots of exotic bargains going cheap in his spam mailings. I for one wouldn't touch it, even at his great prices. I still don't like the motto or the Horster style locket eagle.

Here's the other one he recently had, almost identical in every way...

Red

Motto

Maker Mark

Not the same guy at all, although the etch looks the same- crappy- and so do the scabbard hanger rings-thin-, the rounded bottom of the lower scab fitting bugs me too.sooo its very questionable so far. The guy didnt spam mail , it was for sale to public domain.T

Tiep, it's the same seller, the pics were even taken on the same background. I received both set of pics from the same fellow, the one recently and the other in May. Here's the priced pic of the one you showed at the start of the thread.

Red

Another rare bargain..

Wow, thats all I can say. Incredible to get great advise from the other side of the world! Greatly appreciate it. He sent me an NSKK chained and the closeups revealed, a parts dag at best.Only $3000 too, haha. Well , again greatly appreciate it and , back to shopping.

Holy ----, that guy just sent me a picture of that chained students dagger.

Its bad

Tiep,

I got the same pics last week. Although the initial pics weren't good enough to vet most pieces, my thought was why would someone sell very valuable daggers at such discount rates unless something was amiss?

Believe me , I wasnt taking the bait read my comments, but sometimes you do get lucky and I have by chasing daggers KOd from ebay, etc. 3 times to be exact. I stated 3 major concerns on this dagger being discussed and they did prove to be NOT GOOD in my eyes. I would however love to have an early Eickhorn HJ Leaders in a rare configuration. T

Me too.

Was this the Dagger on ebay and did he also send you pics of an nskk, firstm model luft and ss dagger

Thats the guy, he said he sold the dag for $2600 ,uh o someones screwed.

Please name and shame this seller so we can all be on our guard caveat emptor but as usual if it looks too good to be true it probably is

Seller is" some-like-it-hott "out of Virginia. Seems to sell other stuff not related to militaria.Name of person, Shawn . Heads up all.

His seller name is some-like-it-hott beware

whoops didnt see ya posted it..

Same seller, different dagger this time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-GERMAN...0QQitemZ160357376496

so this ss dagger he has on ebay right now is no good either? he just sent me photo's of it as well