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Hi,

I thought that I would post this here for anyone who may be interested.

Totenkopfring der SS for sale

Best regards,

Jack

WHERE DID YOU GET THIS RING FROM?

On my last trip to the the former Soviet Union - St. Petersburg, Russian Federation.

Best regards,

Jack

J@ck, Reichsfuhrer,,,welcome to the forum...

This ring was not produced during the 3rd Reich period...,G.

Dear Gaspare,

Please will you kindly take the time to explain why you think this, and what information supports your statement.

If the ring is original I am pleased to sell it; if it is not, I will withdraw this from sale.

Best regards,

Jack

I will try,,,,

The ring from the link appears at first to be a mint ring, a late style ring but with a 1936 year. This is possible.. The early rings wore out and the SS man put in for a replacement when he turned the worn one in...If it was 1940 or later he would receive the new style but have the old date in it...

*The problem is with the date itself. Orders issued in 1939 were for there to be 4 fixed dates. None of which yours is. Nor is the date any of the dates that have appeared on the first/early style rings.
*There is also a problem with the thickness of the skull. You'll see this when looking at the profile and comparing it to known originals here in the back pages.
*The runes are not shaped correctly. One example, check the swastica,,again compare to other known originals here or on other sites.
*There are certain die flaws that those who study this ring always look for. At least one is missing.
*More problems, You will sometimes see the top of the skull above the ring band and also occasionally the bottom slightly protruding from the bottom,,slightly..This example is too much, also it is unfinished in its appearance.
*There also seems to be problems with the oak leaf pattern itself between the runes.
*The mirror like finish inside the band was done to hide the fact that this ring was produced with the 'engraving' already cast into the ring..
* Weber being a common German name is also the favorite name to be used by the East European counterfeiters..

I'm sure there are other members here who study the ring in depth more that could show/exsplain even more problems with this ring..There are 19 back pages here with very good photos of original rings. Please do some searches or look thru some of the pages at the original rings for comparisons,,,I think you'll see these differences and maybe more.I'd also like to recommend Don Boyles book on the ring as well as Patzwalls for further reading and reference.,G.

"There also seems to be problems with the oak leaf pattern itself between the runes"

I read in one of the ads for copies of the HR that the leaf direction was reversed intentionally so that the ring could be identified as a replica. Anyone else heard of this?

Dear Gaspare,

Thank you for taking considerable time and patience to explain the reasons why you think this ring is a post war reproduction.

I will take your advice, and research the points you have raised.

Further, I will now remove the ring from sale.

Again, thank you for your kind help.

Best regards,

Jack

HI GASPARE, I TOTALY AGREE. I NEW IMMEDIATELY THAT THIS RING WAS NOT RIGHT, THIS IS WHY I ASKED HIM WHERE HE GOT IT FROM, THAT EXPLAINS IT.

Dear Gaspare,

I spent the better part of yesterday evening and early this morning going through these forums, reading and comparing.

I now agree with, your absolutely right Gaspare, and I'm astounded that someone has gone to the time and obviously painstaking trouble to produce such an excellent copy of the Totenkopfring der SS (although through a little education courtesy of yourself and these forums, with new insight, obviously flawed and a copy).

I was hoping to sell the ring quickly to get some major dental work done, sigh.....

So I must smile, raise my eyes to the heavens and chalk this one down to experience.

I'm glad to have found this forum (thank you for your earlier welcome), I hope as a member you wont think to harshly of me for this rather unfortunate debut.

If anyone would like to host some photographs of this ring on a HTML website and use this to post the pictures in these forums so that other members will not be caught out by the same thing, I would be happy to send them to you, post your e-mail and I will forward them on.

Best regards,

Jack

I would still like to purchase it, Jack, for my work on TK rings that I am working on. Price would be nominal, of course. Or, if you would be so kind as to loan it to me to photograph, I would appreciate that as well. One other part about this ring that is not correct is the stipling pattern in the background fields - it's too pronounced.