UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories Medals & Badges of the Third Reich Forum HJ Hochland Lage Badge,,,opinions please

what are the opinions on this badge?...many thanks,,robert

here is the reverse,,

NICE! right as rain larger of two varieties.IT is a tinnie. Would love to have that one in the collection nice find

PAUL

many thanks paulbear...robert

typically,what kind of value do these have?... ..thanks,,,robert

Too much controversy on this badge on its
authenticity IMO
Seiler (yank in UK)

hi seiler,,,what is the controversy?..does this look like an excellent reproduction or does it seem to be an orignal?,,,thanks,,robert

Hi Robert,
Can only recommend doing a search on WAF.
I know it was enough to put me off one Craig had
last year."Real,Fake,or a real fake!!
Maybe try the Hitlerjugend web site also.
Cheers
Seiler (Yank in UK)

hi seiler,,are you really a yank in UK..i used to live there in the early 60's,,,my dad was stationed at Lakenheath,,lived in Brandon for awhile,,loved to tromp about around Mildenhall,,now back to the badge,,no luck on WAF,,,thanks,robert,,,what is the hj website you referred to?....

Yes,I am.I am partner in UK
Co.,Was with Texas Insts.
I know Mildenhall/Lakenheath well.
Still busy.Was a Member at Rod/Gun Club.
All stopped now.Still see lots of "Geeks"
hanging around perimeter fence taking pics/
numbers.Was also at Chicksands???
Stick with WAF for answer.Its early here
yet.
Hitlerjugend.net I think is site.
Some HJ knowledgable people on there.
Good luck.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

thanks Yank,,,i was planning on a trip to England sometime,,is Lakenheath "open" to old former residents?...i sure would like to take a look around my old stomping grounds as a kid,,,also loved to shop around at Bury St.Edmunds,,,got the flea market bug there when they had market days,,,thanks and will try the hj site,,,signing off for now,,,best regards,,,Robert

Hi Rbt.
M,hall is MATS.L,heath Fighter Bombers.
As you know Bases are side by side using same runways.Villages not changed I,m sure since your
time but traffic way down as most traffic goes to Frankfurt and Turkey even Spain.Since 9/11
heavily guarded armed gates.Not like the old days when you could almost walk in.
Alconburys (A10) now closed.Molesworth Tankers still going but the "BOMB"
is long gone.Chicksands,"The American Spy Base" Security Wing closed.
Still some stuff to be picked up at Bury St.but now in Shops,and exspensive junk.
Cheers.Hope you have luck with the HJ.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Sorry it's a fake!
Manion's offered several very good fakes of HJ insignias, about a week ago, including a couple identical to this one.
May I remind that those items, so far at least, have no official/original regulation found. They are, at best, fantasy items.
Dennys.

Thanks Dennys.
Dont know of Manions but the "fantasy" is
what I remember of opinions on other Forums.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

These are a fantersy, many other pieces are around, the HJ Skie badge from Bayern.

Yeah.Thats another.Looks good though!
Seiler (Yank in UK)

this tinnie is officialy listed in TIESTE VOL 1
PAGE 325 HOCKLAND 36-02 . This is not a fantasy piece and would not be so quick to judge.
WANT TO SELL IT ?
PAUL

quote:

Originally posted by paulbear:
this tinnie is officialy listed in TIESTE VOL 1
PAGE 325 HOCKLAND 36-02 . This is not a fantasy piece and would not be so quick to judge.
WANT TO SELL IT ?
PAUL

Is that so?
May be you can explain why manion's were selling those as repros.

01 reverse

Another

02 reverse

02 pin detail

It may looks the same as the first one I posted but really isn't.

03 reverse

ALL FAKES!!
Still want to buy those?
Dennys.

As is the case with many of these HJ badges, a period photo of one in wear would be great to see.

Mr Jorret, keep it civil please. You made your point.

Two of the pictures are the same badge.

--dj--Joe

manions may have been selling fakes the fact remains this is not a fantasy badge but taken from a real host. I'll eat crow on this particular one if it is from that lot .

PAUL

quote:

Originally posted by Gefolgschaft:
As is the case with many of these HJ badges, a period photo of one in wear would be great to see.

Hello Geflogschaft.
Yes, that would be very good, but even more important IMHO is to find the original regulation for those little badges.
Regards.

quote:

Originally posted by derjager:
Mr Jorret, keep it civil please. You made your point.

Two of the pictures are the same badge.

--dj--Joe

CIVIL?! Did I say something I shouldn't?
All I am saying is that ALL ITEMS with unknown or non existing regulation should be regarded as fantasy, fakes or repros for the most obvious reasons.
As for the pictures from the first and third items you are right, sorry about that, my mistake. Bellow are the pictures of TWO more fakes I meant before.
Thanks.

reverse

Last one

It is a tinnie an event badge and nothing more from what I can gather so far so there will be no regualations just handed out to people who attended the event. I will contact Mr Tieste and see if first he has one in his pers collection and any further info on it.

PAUL

Paulbear makes a good point.

Hello,
Dennys,I think there are quite a few items that have not been found to exist in pictures. I don't think I would discount all items not yet identified from pictures. Although I do think that these enamelled Hochland Lager badges are fantasy. Here is a link to a thread on WAF regarding them. I'm sure there are more but I didn't have the time to go thru them all. Link:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t...2&highlight=hj+badge
Duzig(Bill)

Post war fake, I think they along with the ski
badge Chris mentioned, came out of Austria in the 70s-80s
Regards