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I havent been to the site in a LONG time and have a question about F. Herder SS's (33s). Were they actually made? Does anyone have pics of one? What is their value?

I bring it up because I was skimming through an old johnson catalogue that listed leftover factory blades for sale.

Only, I have never seen an F. Herder. I have an R. Herder....an F might be a cool one to get if possible.

I have one photo.

The last theory I remember was they were real prewar made blades, but were never assembled during the period, as no one has found one "out of the woodwork" fully assembled.

Maybe some others have more info?

John

They seem to be questionable as to when they were made or, at least, assembled (as noted). Some collectors are "stand-offish" when it comes to these blades. Others seem to readily accept them. It was not too many years ago that they seem to come forth. Johnson's catalog is the first I recall seeing one.

thanks for the pic....anyone one of the whole dagger...as in anyone own one?

I get the feeling, as vintagetimenow hinted at, that these are ghosts or rumored pieces??? made, but not fully assembled and distrubuted in the end???

You should work your way back through the SS Dagger Forum. The subject has been discussed 2-3 times.

Dave

One for sale in Europe

Look at the blade fit.

-wagner-

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Motto too far down on blade to my liking.
Unless it's the angle, blade tip looks "worked".

-wagner-

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Whats the theory behind the 2 directions of this makers mark. My apologies for this question.

Rohm dedication!

Gailen gives 100% approval!

-wagner-

Thank you Wagner

The trademark shown by Golden Boy is the SA trademark of F Herder, not their SS trademark, and the Ace of Spades mark on the tang is usually found on RA Herder daggers.

F.Herder blades have the trademark ALONG the blade on SS daggers and ACROSS the blade on SA daggers.

Dave

Dave, Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Dieter, I was just kidding. Dave has the correct answer.
-wagner-

With the dagger that Golden boy showed, that is NOT the correct trademark for an SS dagger by F Herder. In addition, the shape of the blade tip is too blunt and is possiblt a regrind. Based on the tang mark, I would guess that the dagger is by RA Herder.

Dave

Dave, not being a real fan of the Holbein series, are there other makers that had two different trademarks for SS and SA blades?