UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories Medals & Badges of the Third Reich Forum Unknown badge, is it rero or good?

Hi Guys,
someone has a bunch of trade items, this is among them, what the heck is it, and is it good? it has a number 4065 on back with clasp pin, eagle looks a little weird to me.
Thanks,
Kevin

By the way in the title that's repro or good?

I think you might find this link helpful

http://stirnpanzer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84

Yours is for Belgium and France Christopher link shows the Norwegian version

KJV, it is an Administration of occupied teritory badge for Belgium and northern France as stated by AJ. Do you have a reverse image? They are numbered.
I have been wondering about the originality of these badges, have noted a few on sites over the years. (4 Examples observed). Not positive, still on the fence.

There are also examples for Norway. (Norwegen). (Have observed 7 examples over time).
Examples with Verwaltung frankreich also. (Have seen 3 examples, one solid back).



--dj--Joe

Hello,
I personally don't know much about these items but there is a thread now on WAF(hope I can mention another forum) regarding these badges. My quesstion is about the pin assembly. Are there more than one type of acceptable pin assembly on these items? I have seen ones with a normal pin attachment, basically like those use don enamelled pins or is the correct type roughly along the lines of the pin attachment seen on prussian fire medals?
Duzig(Bill)

Hi Guys,
That is what I don't like about this badge, the back pin in long with rivets, it does not look like others. Here is a photo of back with pin set up, and numbers.
Thanks,
Kevin

Hello,
Wow it certainly seems that there are many different opinions on these badges. The long back pin shown on the badge by Kevin is deemed original in another discussion if I'm not mistaken. Is there any actual documentation of what the correct pin configuration for these badges is or is the prevalent view that various pin configurations exist on original examples of this badge? As I've said I have no idea, like others I"m just curious.
Duzig(Bill)

Hi Duzig (Bill)
and I'm confused, still don't know if it's good or not, has the right pin, but the eagle does not have the right look.
Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin, your pin style has been found on period Female RAD broaches and on some wound badges also.

--dj--Joe

So Derjager,
do you think this pin may be good or bad ?
Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin, I don't know. The pin style is period. This badge and all of them need much more research.
I have seen three now with the same type hinge catch and pin set up. All four digit numbers.
Did not save images though.

--dj--Joe

i believe this badge to be a copy,,eagle looks like a turkey or a starved buzzard,,,pin on back is a known period item,but i believe was affixed post war,,here is a pic of my badge,front and back,,,also,,look at the swaz,,the arms do not come out even,that is on the same line on the ends:2 arms are shorter than the other 2,,,

backside,,,unusual style pin with barrel catch,,,

Interesting thread here, not sure what to say but I've never seen one of these before. I do notice though that each badge has it's own number, issue number maybe?

Fritziii

Militarymania, yours is the only example I have seen so far with that style hinge, pin and catch assembly. I recall it from an earlier post.

--dj--Joe

Hello again all,
Militarymania, I notice the eagles wings on yours looks wider than those shown on kevin�s badge. And if you take a look at the one on Bill Sheas site the wings on his look like kevins but the eagles beak on shea�s looks to me quite a bit different than either of the two shown, almost like a parrot beak or dodo bird look to me not appealing in my opinion. Also the pin on the one on shea�s site differs from both pins shown in this thread. Looks like we have at least three eagle styles, four pin configurations if you look at all the threads on both this forum and waf. I haven't put the links in to the threads on the other forum because I'm not sure if that's allowed to do. There is one on the site thirdreichmedals which is more like the one Kevin shows I believe. There are a few more links on another forum which shows a badge that looks like the one Kevin shows also To be honest the eagles beak on the one on shea�s site looks weird to me, the pin is also different than most that are shown. There�s also a link on the other forum to a fourth pin configuration used on one of these badges with an eagle more like the one shown by militarymania�I think! Definitely a badge which needs more research I think. Nice looking badges but I'm glad I haven't bought one yet. Too many questions at this time. I do believe in one of the threads someone mentioned there is a picture of one in wear,I'd like to see that. Interesting thread no matter what though.
Duzig(Bill)

There is a good topic on these badges somewhere.

Here's something I came across. From a supposed original. B&W but pretty clear,,

Reverse:

ooohhh!!! all these badges are making my head hurt,,,my "3" and "7" numerals look like they match up quite well in the post by Gaspare of the reverse of the b/w pics he posted,,,maybe all bad,,maybe all good ,as was said,,we need a pic of one being shown in wear,,,i have an Excedrin headache #39,,,,

see how the top and right arms of the swas are shorter,,,forgive my puny attempt at drawing a straight line to illustrate my point,but i think it is clearly evident that the first badge is somewhat skeptical,,,

I recall the inwear photo. Now where was it?

Link, I did a search.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/800097573/...830048964#8830048964

As I recall the eagles will differ between the Frankreich and the Belgien und Frankreich and the Norwegen badges. Or it could be I saw different sized badges in some instances.

--dj--Joe

Hi Guys,
That link to the badge being worn shows a thinner wing on that eagle, it really is a tough choice.
Thanks,
Kevin

An old image I have of a Norwegen badge.
Scan from an old picture.
--dj--Joe

,,,,and the mystery continues,,,