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Had a very pleasing delivery this morning.....

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Don

Don,

Holy cow, you hit the jackpot!
That is really a super addition to your collection, each example looks to be in prime condition, too.

Hope you'll find many more groupings like this in the years to come.

Best wishes!

Bill

Thanks Bill.

A few are outside my sphere of collecting & will need new homes. However I'm especially pleased with some of the Tirol Kreis badges, like the Kufstein & Imst ones

Cheers
Don

Hi Don,

So that's what they look like grouped together... :-)

...very nice!

My goodness, nice, very nice. They do indeed all look to be in excellent condition.
Congratulations, well deserved.

--dj--Joe

Claymore, a hearty welcome.

Don, when you get the opportunity could you post a close up of the hanging devise, second down from the middle? Never have seen a complete example.

--dj--Joe

I also see a round 43 with the cross and enamel shield that I do not recall having seen before. This lot should fill in a couple of gaps in your collection.

--dj--Joe

Thank you Gentlemen,

Claymore I read the tinnie thread before coming here so my welcome is over there

Joe,
As you know I'd been resisting collecting the Tirol Kreis badges trying only to collect the Gau (Innsbruck) ones. However I collapsed helplessly....

Here's the D.Sch.V you're asking about.

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Don

Outstanding Don !!!

Here's the other you mention.

It's supposidly for V�lkermarkt, a Kreis in the Tirol. The Wappen is for Carinthia & is seen on a few of the shooting badges from that area (Ferlach & Spittal to name two). I'm not sure whether that wappen would have been used during the period or not so am reserving judgement as to originality until I know more about them.

As it was a few years back with the more familiar Gau shooting badges, little is known about the badges of the outer areas & more study is needed. I do know that unlike the Innsbruck badges the Kufstein & Reutte badges are faked so.....

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Don

Thanks Don, those are both interesting badges.
Should I run across any info. on the wappen I will let you know.

--dj--Joe

A great lot Don. However, From left to right--# 2 is post war, # 20 and 24 are fakes-never made.

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Originally posted by Houston Coates:
A great lot Don. However, From left to right--# 2 is post war, # 20 and 24 are fakes-never made.

Thanks for your input Houston. The DSB luftpistole (#2) is indeed an obvious modern pin & I knew about the 1936 Sch�tzenbund badge.

However by #24 do you mean the Kitzb�hel 1943 badge? I've never really liked these badges as the design seems a little too "tacky" to me for a T.R. piece. But back in June '05 when I posted a number of Tirol badges for advice on your forum (the Kreisschiessen version of this being one of them) you stated that all the badges shown were good ( http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8470972702/m/2360039843 ). May I asked has anything come to light since then to change your opinion on the badge?

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Don

Hi Don--I since have found the original version of the 43 Master Kutz badge. I knew in the past that there were just too many of these badges and the enamel colors are different on many but was unsure. The original is just like the gold version but has an added gold wreath.
Are you collecting all types of shooting badges now?

Hi Houston,

Thanks for your reply. For my sins I've decided to include the badges for the various Tirol Kreis in my study as well Not all shooting, just the other Tirol I was trying to avoid. I must be mad

That's very interesting, could you please post a picture of the original you write about so that I can keep an eye out for one to compare?

Thanks for your help.

Cheers
Don

I previously asked this on Damast's post in Houstons forum. The overwhelming majority of these medals seem to be for rifle shooting. Were there no pistol clubs or events in pre WW2 Germany other than possibly air pistol?

Yes--there were pistol events. The pistols used were for the most part small caliber and many medals just say small caliber so I suspect some were for the pistol

Thank you Houston,I appreciate your reply.

Barry,

The ratio of rifle-shooting awards to pistol-shooting decorations is way up there in favor of the long-gun. Even harder to find are nice bow+arrow/crossbow awards and don't forget Zimmerschuetzen - real small calibers, pellets and such.

Anyone have any of those that they could share?

Best!

Bill

Had another small grouping in the other week, but I've only just had time to scan them. A couple of nice ones here.....

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Don

Don, all nice examples.
Ferlach K�rnten and the Kreis Spitfal A/d Drau share the same Wappen I see.
Have not seen them before nor the F�r F�rderung -- badge.

Nice find, congratulations, takes alot of work to locate all the nice items you find.

--dj--Joe

Thanks Joe,

Yes I picked up this group specifically for the three badge you mention (& of course for the meistersch�tze ).

The Wappen (which is also shown on the V�lkermarkt badge above) is for Gau K�rnten where these towns/areas are.

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Don

I've just returned from doing some research in Innsbruck. Whilst there I spent a small fortune on the flea market.....

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Don

Don, nice find. You are going to need a large case to display this collection. Fantastic gilt on the 39 Landesschiessen. What are the smaller round bronze and silver Kreisschiessen badges? Looks like a mountaintop building.
I have always side stepped the Kitzb�hel badges from lack of personal knowledge. Were they for 43 only?

--dj--Joe

Thanks Joe, the '39 gold isn't as bright as it looks, that's mainly due to the glare from the scanner. It's also softened the lettering detail which is a shame as it is very sharp on the badge itself.

The bronze & silver you ask about are for the 1942 Imst Kreisschiessen, it also came in gold, & gold with an oakleaf wreath. The building is a depiction of what they called the "Burgen des Wehrwillens und der Gemeinschaft", basically the shooting club house, each town had it's own (and still has I believe). During the period they usually had an image of an eagle on one of the outer walls which is what you can see on the badge.... I've attached a better image of it for you.

Regarding the Kitzb�hel. Yes that particular design was only for 1943, the other years had a different image on them. It's not very clear but there are two silvers & a gold shown in the above image.

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Don

Thanks Don, the 42 IMST's are good looking awards.

I would think a few of these would pop up among collections of tinnies. But I rarely encounter any Tirol badges.

--dj--Joe

I am still in a fog understanding the 1943 Meisterklasse Kitzb�hel badges. The Green wreath is not good? A gold wreath would be good? Or, is the orig. a gold Kreisschiessen with a gold wreath?

--dj--Joe

The bronze, silver, gold, & gold with oakleaves (wreath is gold as well) Kreisschie�en badges are 100% good.

This I can confirm as during my research in Innsbruck I came across a document illustrating an example of all the Tiroler Kreisschie�en badges from 1942-44.

However the document made no mention of a Meisterklaase grade which is the one with the green oakleaf wreath. I suppose we could say that this does not proove that they are not period, but it does lend weight to Houston's view that they are fantasy pieces.

So, Kreisschie�en good, & at the moment, Meisterklaase bad.

Here is a scan of the Kreisschi�en from the doc.

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Don

Thanks Don, now I'm on track.

--dj--Joe

My latest find. Silver, 23mm.
Obv.
--dj--Joe

The detail beneath the enamel,(dots and lines), is present but the scanner did not pick it up.

Rev.
--dj--Joe

Actually Don--I believe the one you show IS the master class in gold w/ gold wreath. I am almost positive the B,S& G class have no wreath. I have a silver one with no wreath and the gold with wreath

Hi Houston,

Yes in post #1 of this thread is the dubious Meisterklasse with green wreath. If you look at post #26 (I think), there are two silvers & a gold all as you note without wreaths.

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Don

As an update to the thread I was lucky to get another small group in this week & thought that you may like to see them.....

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Don

Oh yes. I see an unknown to me in the upper left facing.
Thanks Don for sharing. Great condition those are in.

--dj--Joe

Sorry for the delay Joe. Here you go, Bludenz 1943 gold with oakleaves.

What is odd about the Kreis Bludenz badges is the Swastika, in both 1942 & 1944 it was not used at all on the badges. But in 1943 they did.....

Can't comment on the 1941 as I haven't seen the design for that year yet.

Cheers
Don

That's a nice badge Don. It must be a better grade zinc/alloy base metal than some badges. Thanks for showing it.

--dj--Joe