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From the photos it appears to be in beautiful condition but only a three on the McSarr's rarity scale! I suspect however, that shortly after Tom Wittmann's next book comes out, those will be the prices we'll be seeing on all SA daggers! 
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With a 0 feedback rating, there could be some BS bidding on this one.
$1200+ seems pretty steep for an SA dagger from an unknown seller.
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im guessing maybe he had his friend bid on it to jack the price but that is just my opinion also.
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Do you think it went that high because the fittings appear to have a goldish tint to them for some reason? JohnJ
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HOLY CRAP!!! Thats crazy 
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I think the heat is getting to people.
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Comparitivly speaking...SA's in this condition from a reputable seller are the best bargain left in dagger collecting. Mark 
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Something is fishy here. The seller even stated that the blade had been sharpened at one time.
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I recognize at least one of the bidders to be a GDC member. $1225 is not out of line for an SA, but it has to be something special. Near mint with a rare maker or an inscribed or personalized piece. But that price seems way out of line for this dagger in an Ebay auction from a seller with zero feedback.
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Gustavo, don't you know someone in the States to handle shipping for you? You know, Seller -> friend -> you.
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Gustavo... I had my eye on that...
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Could anyone explain to me why so many talk about SA prices going high because of Wittmanns coming SA reference?
Wittmanns references are just great and I really looking forward to buy the coming SA book, but it’s hard for me to believe that his books control the prices on the dagger market.
IMO the prices going up a little bit every year anyway because of demand and supply with or without new references?
Please correct me if I'm totally lost..
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I totally agree with you Nakida, prices go up every year because of supply and demand, but Tom's books seem to stimulate the demand side. Where there was heat in the market, his reference seems to act like a gasoline! There was a lot of talk about this little "phenomena" awhile back, when the prices on SS daggers (which have always led the upper end) spiked right after the release of his tome on SS daggers. Perhaps they create a parallel jump in interest or perhaps they just come out at the same time as a giant jump in the price of that particular dagger or perhaps it's the Internet. Whatever the root cause, book or psyche, I wouldn't be shocked to see the same kind of rise in price we saw with SS daggers, when he releases his next reference on SA daggers. Equally, I'll be delighted if history doesn't repeat itself!
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Bidders are strokes
I asked the seller and he said it has light sharpening,he knew the fittings were smokers gold.Reserve was $600.
In regards to the SA book I wish people would stop talking like wittmans books are Bibles,although they are mostly accurate,a good 10% of the info is bad.Just take a look one time and count the mistakes.Some of the pieces are no good,just because its pictured in a book does not make it true,unless its a PERIOD referance.
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quote: Originally posted by bushido: I totally agree with you Nakida, prices go up every year because of supply and demand, but Tom's books seem to stimulate the demand side. Where there was heat in the market, his reference seems to act like a gasoline! There was a lot of talk about this little "phenomena" awhile back, when the prices on SS daggers (which have always led the upper end) spiked right after the release of his tome on SS daggers. Perhaps they create a parallel jump in interest or perhaps they just come out at the same time as a giant jump in the price of that particular dagger or perhaps it's the Internet. Whatever the root cause, book or psyche, I wouldn't be shocked to see the same kind of rise in price we saw with SS daggers, when he releases his next reference on SA daggers. Equally, I'll be delighted if history doesn't repeat itself!
Thanks for your opinion Bushido, interesting input. I looking forward to the new SA reference but I’m worry about the possible negative price reaction on the market after the release. There is unfortunately nothing we can do about it anyway. BTW: Thomas M. Johnson’s German Daggers of the World War II – A photographic reference Volume 2 (2005), contain 118 pages with amazing pictures and some interesting info about SA daggers. Best, Sam,
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This J.P. Sauer sold for as much as it did on Ebay because of the ego involved in winning an auction. If you look at the bid history, the last two bids were out of control. You just can't let anyone else win. Who cares if you paid twice as much as it's worth. The point is that you won. It's also from new collectors who don't really do their homework. If they wanted, they could have bought one from an online retailer and spent less. Until now, I'm sure everyone will be inspired to raise their prices. It almost reminds me of the oil market.
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ive seen plenty of 1200$ price tags on minty sa daggers at max and sos shows all from big known dealers. nothing special just super nice condition. they all get sold too.
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True words, Robert. (BTW, Howya been?)
This thing is not a rare maker, has nicotining, and was sharpened. Not even worth the reserve.
The seller knew the value, as it is common sense to put the reserve at the least you will possibly take for an item.
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quote: Originally posted by Nakida:
Could anyone explain to me why so many talk about SA prices going high because of Wittmanns coming SA reference?
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It's my understanding, that the use of a new Wittmann reference, gives less experienced collectors more confidence to buy on their own, (as opposed to buying from established dealers) which is said to increase demand. That increased demand drives up the prices. I don't know how true it is, but that's what I was told.
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It was my thought that maybe some of the bidders thought they knew better than the seller as far as the "smoker's gold" and that maybe they believed the fittings were in reality gold toned. JohnJ
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WOW!!!!! I sold my stone mint and apparently un issued AMERSO this past spring for $1200.00. It had 100% anondizing, laquer, full crossgraining and flawless fittings. 100% burnishing. I was happy to get the price. Pictures are still on this forum. Was it worth $2000.00????? cheers, Ryan
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quote: Originally posted by Daggerob: quote: Originally posted by Nakida:
Could anyone explain to me why so many talk about SA prices going high because of Wittmanns coming SA reference?
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It's my understanding, that the use of a new Wittmann reference, gives less experienced collectors more confidence to buy on their own, (as opposed to buying from established dealers) which is said to increase demand. That increased demand drives up the prices. I don't know how true it is, but that's what I was told.
You're probably right Robert! Maybe it's time to start collect something else in a near future? Sam,
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Totally ridiculous. This nonsense almost takes the fun out of collecting.
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Sorry guys, this is what I have been saying.
This kind of money for one of the most common TR Daggers? Where will it stop?
I personally would not sell one for $1225 because of the plain and simple fact I don't think a common SA is worth that much.
Just my opinion with no offense intended.
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I can asure you that one of the "big" dealers who also likes to point out "rare" makers for best (high) prices once told me: "For me is an SA is an SA is an SA.....
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If that were really true, then any SS is the same value as the next one. Obviously NOT the case. I hope to sell some of mine for more than others as they are more valuable as they are rarer. Maybe not everyone will agree, but that's why we are all different! Mark
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