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Here is my Eick with small double oval TM
(some say ground Rohm) dagger with olive colored anodized scabbard,,*8* is the insp # on the bottom of the lower crossguard

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Niblet:

Did you just acquire this off a major dealer's site?

Not that I have issues with this, I am just curious since I have seen a similar configuration for sale on a web-site.

John

I've had it for several months now,,came from a private party,,vets siblings,,I believe

where did you find another?? i would like to see it,,you can PM me if you want

Hi Niblet,Heres a Carl Schmidt SA I have with a green scabbard,nats

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/160093573/m/4690023415

Nice dagger and thanks for the info,,
the olive has almost a "metallic flake"
if it hits the light just right,,its not a solid
green,,,thanks for the link,,anyone else??

Some say these were actually early NPEA daggers.

Nice 1 Nib! (here is/was my first, looks like same scabbard.)
Cheers

Niblet:

Here it is, still for sale.

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=2901...ant%2C+by+Weyersberg

John

Maybe I should get the stamp kit from work and stamp NPEA on mine too so its official!
thanks for the link John

What makes it more interesting, the Niblet's scabbard is (so called) "anodised" and the other scabbards are just painted.

so what are you saying?? (so called)

Niblet,

Irrespective of how many reference books or sales catalogs might call them "anodized" they are in error. You can't anodize steel. They were finished with a brown oxide type finish. Which I think in German is referred to as br�nieren (to brown) versus eloxieren/anodisieren which is to anodize.

That the painted scabbards are a green is not in question. However with what looks like a browned scabbard. In at least one image it seems to be a brown with less of a greenish cast. And like the blued scabbards (I think they use the same word for the blue/black type oxide finishes), the browns come in different shades. But I can't tell from what I've seen so far if the green is intentional or not?? Not at all a criticism. Just what I seem to be seeing on my monitor, and something I might be able to look into a little more.

Regards, FP

FP,s comment ref "anodising" is absolutely correct.Time this description be put down to rest forever.But it will continue to be misused
I am sure.
Seiler (yank in UK)

BTW: Regarding the (so called) �burnished� blade mottos and darkening on some of the chain links. The word �br�nieren� can be translated as: �to burnish�. With burnishing in English usually meaning to polish.

Which makes me think that at least some of the material for the books was taken directly from German sources. Which (unfortunately but understandably) was mistranslated because the translator lacked specific knowledge. With that piece of misinformation also being carried forward to this day because an author (or authors) in times past had no independent knowledge/expertise of what it was that he or they were looking at. And probably assumed it was OK for some reason(?).

As for the likelihood of things being changed to set the record straight at this late date? I�m probably not going to be holding my breath. FP

wow, thanks guys for the info,,I did not know this,,I wont use that term again

Thanks for taking the time to explain this

Whwt did this end in??
Is it an original NPEA dagger?Scabbard ok?
What value can a dagger like this have?

I don't think that I have ever heard of an Eickhorn NPEA with the double oval TM and a ground Rohm blade.

I understood that the early Eickhorn NPEAs were the 35-41 TM and the more common ones had the over shoulder TM.

John

But what exactly we're talking about? NPEA daggers or different hue on SA dagger scabbard?

I wonder:What is this dagger and scabbard(Niblet)?
Is it a NPEA?
Is it a ordinary SA?
Is it a ground rohm?
What is it?

It's a SA dagger with a superb scabbard, nothing else.

Gary

I'll Agree with Gary on this as I have seen some of these appearing lately with rather high prices but few takers.

They weren't unheard of back when I was really into daggers circa 1980-1995, but they were pretty scarce.

My guess would be, looking at the pictures:

Tim's (Niblet) may well be a regular ground Rohm SA with a great brownish green anodized (yes, I know that is not the correct term) scabbard. I have seen early SA scabs in may shades from red brown through dull and greenish brown. Digital photography is fantastic, but colors are not always true so who knows ?

Nats's painted on is a mystery to me. I have seen a few in person like that and I am convinced that they did exist at the time, but what exactly they represented can be discussed. Thoughts ?

Dave

The SA Dagger I posted was a Bruce Petrin special,,,i dont know what he did to it,,
but he ruined it IMHO

I agree with Dave that the oxidized scabbards can and do vary in tone and hue, to a degree. This is likely caused by variations or pollutants in the chemicals used for oxidation or, perhaps, the time the scabbard is left in the bath. It could also be due to external conditions, such as temperature, humidity, drying time, etc. As to the painted green scabbards, they are an anomaly as far as I know. The only scabbards I have ever seen that color are the NPEA bayonet-type scabbards, which are painted. I certainly haven't seen it all, but I am leery of these painted green SA scabbards.

That is NOT an NPEA Green.

a dealer friend has one like this. it looks like a ground Rohm.
he had not priced it yet ,due to his still questions about it.
I do not recall if it came from the veterans family or not.
neither of us were sure if the paint was original.
jeff

I never really gave this any thought... but interesting that a political organization would choose the color green for a scabbard. Most colors are representative of their branch. Silver and golds are secondary. Just a thought.