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Just found in germany, "in his juice" as we say in France: This dagger was hanged on a wall since an eternity...

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the bottom is a "onion" style..curious but possible??the dagger was never dissassembled

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W O for Wehrkreis Ostsee

Salut Jean Pierre,

Super belle trouvaille !
Je suis tr�s envieux.
I've never seen these "types" of Navy dagger before but it is certainly a mixture of both Imperial and Nazi era.
Nicely done, congrats !

Merci/thank you Pat!
It's exactly the same as the well-knowed "assault-naval-dirk" made by Puma (only)except the pommel

Jochen: Very nice and unusual find. Thanks for posting.

This is a first for me too. The crossguard is also similar to the Ecuadorian navy dagger by E & F Hoerster pictured on page 95 and 96 of Kurt Glemster's "A Guide to Military Dress Daggers Volume II" The eagle and swaztika is replaced by the Ecuadorian coat-of-arms.

Interesting find for sure. Can't wait to hear what the navy buffs have to say on this one.

Great stuff!

Jochen,
That is one rare Puma navy! VERY NICE!!!! This is only the second one I've seen outside of pics in books.

Fritziii

Wow..congrats
Haven't seen that one before. Nice item.

Thanks for showing us your dagger.

PJ

Jochen, Beautiful... another one I have to add to the list of daggers I really need to get Simply exceptional, congratulations.

Red

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Jochen,

A wonderful find and such a rare piece, many thanks for sharing it. Were you able to get any story behind it?

Jochen, thank you for showing this very interesting, rare find with obviously doubtless proveniance. Impressive pics!

Super nice..hold on to that beauty

bravo jochen(J-P)wonderful and very scarce dolch
pat

Thank you all for your congrats, and for Pat (Tranchant) welcome in the forum! ... and see you later in Gaillac at october 29!

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Originally posted by Stephane:
This is a first for me too. The crossguard is also similar to the Ecuadorian navy dagger by E & F Hoerster pictured on page 95 and 96 of Kurt Glemster's "A Guide to Military Dress Daggers Volume II" The eagle and swaztika is replaced by the Ecuadorian coat-of-arms.

Interesting find for sure. Can't wait to hear what the navy buffs have to say on this one.

Great stuff!

My wife is from Ecuador and I told her to read your posting. So,she said "you see, you do not have to buy those expensive KM daggers, just go to Ecuador and buy one there." Now, my question is: how rare (or not), are thise Ecuadorian daggers? Were they made in Germany? I know a lot of items during the first half of the last century (in Guatemala and Ecuador, according to my wife), were made in Germany and they had (and still have), great reputation as good quality.
Sthepan, could you post a picture of these Ecuadorian daggers?

Thanks

Fernando

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Originally posted by Jochen:
Merci/thank you Pat!
It's exactly the same as the well-knowed "assault-naval-dirk" made by Puma (only)except the pommel

Exactly, could this dagger be an "assault-naval-dirk" with a replacement pommel? According the the book by Thomas Wittmann there are just "four genuine examples and could be more."
Could your find be one of those "more"? It was a great find indeed. Thanks for sharing.
Please could you tell us story of how was the finding? Where was it hanging? who was the owner? etc.

Beatiful dagger.

Fernando

This dagger was hanged on a wall in Germany, and a friend of me in Alsace found it for me ; the pommel has ever been on the dagger, which was never dismantled: it's possible to see the difference in the patina between the covered parts (with the knot) and the others; I'll ask to my friend the exact story of this dagger and possibly of the seller, (my priority was to obtain the dagger after I've seen it) because... he must return for me (and he, but my friend don't collect edged weapons, I'am happy! ) to the buyer, who has other interessant things in this from now on famous "treasure house"...

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My wife is from Ecuador and I told her to read your posting. So,she said "you see, you do not have to buy those expensive KM daggers, just go to Ecuador and buy one there." Now, my question is: how rare (or not), are thise Ecuadorian daggers? Were they made in Germany? I know a lot of items during the first half of the last century (in Guatemala and Ecuador, according to my wife), were made in Germany and they had (and still have), great reputation as good quality.
Sthepan, could you post a picture of these Ecuadorian daggers?

Hi Fernando, please say hello to your wife for me. Sorry I can't post pictures, I am not too well equipped computer wise. But I took all my information from "A Guide to Military Dress Daggers" volume 1 to 4. Kurt Glemser is the author on this series and he is a member here. He co-moderates the European Edge Weapons forum. Maybe you could point him to this thread and he will agree to post a few pictures. Almost all the daggers illustrated in his books are from his collection.

For now I can tell you that Solingen produced quite a few daggers for the South American market. Their designs are often similar to the Third Reich ones. For instance the Bolivian Air Force dagger, made by WKC, resemble the Luftwaffe 2nd model. The Columbian Air Force dagger, made by WKC and E. & F. H�rster, looks like a mix between the Luftwaffe 1st and 2nd models. The Venezuelan Military Cadet dagger, made by F. W. Hoeller and E. & F. H�rster, looks like the German 1rst model navy. Finally, although not South American, the Royal Swedish Air Force dagger Model 1952 is almost identical to the Hitler Youth Leader. Most of these daggers are quite rare I'm afraid. But since you reside in that part of the world, you will have better access to them than we do.

Take care,

Stephane