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Please tell me what you all think.

thank you
Brian

another pic

pic of collar tabs.

This tunic has been around for quite a few years(7). Originaly sold on Ebay by a person in Sweden going by the SN "Hundingsbane". It then was in a collection in Spain and sold from there. It has now resurfaced again. The sleeve eagle was the famous "Bigfoot" fake at the time I rememeber it I had detailed pics once on my old computer but not any longer. The cyphers are incorrect and not the style used for the Deutschland regiment, however I saw a period photo with these being used,still incorrect and highly unlikely.I am not sure if the Deutschland had a recon detachment, I know the Das Reich division did and its possible a detachment was assigned to the regiment. I would say this is a put together post war tunic from some real and fake parts.Still an interesting piece though.

SO, what would you value this at, of all of the tunics ive seen in the years, this is the best one ive seen yet, it just feels right.

thank you
Brian

Its worth about $1500 if the tabs are original, they appear to be but one would need to do a UV test on them and so on.

ive done a UV test, they are original.

Brian

Just a note, a uv test is just one of other tests of prooving originality. In no way is a uv test foolproof.

Just my two cents...

hi john pic79, you can double your value and a bit more if its a real tunic, the prices in the uk are ridiculous, regards phil,

Hello Phil Brown, no this may be a real tunic but its not a real Waffen SS tunic its a pieced together Army tunic and we cant even tell if it was a former Waffen SS tunic re- badged. If it were an undisputable waffen SS officers tunic that was retored perhaps it would bring more. But having the fake eagle and wrong cyphers no serious collector would pay much for it at all, if anything.Are you the owner?

This tunic was on ebay last night and was up to $1500 with only one bidder and it wasnt Brian. The photos were all blurry of coarse but I had no trouble recognizing it.

Another interesting thing about this tunic is it is supposedly, either in its entirety or in part pictured in Peter Von Lukacs and Wade K.s book. I dont know Ive only taken a few quick glimpses at that book.Maybe someone can look and see.

The dealer you mention is well known for putting together Waffen-SS tunics. He works with the author you mention. They made a Panzer uniforms book together with some fakes. This tunic is not a Waffen-SS officer's tunic. The monograms for SS-Regiment "Deutschland" are, like you say, totally different.

Bill

Right....here is a classic situation of missinformation and idiotic statements being peddled as fact. Let's sort this stupidity out right NOW!

John, what the hell are you doing saying this tunic is in the SS book Peter and I did when you are not sure? You say "Another interesting thing about this tunic is it is supposedly, either in its entirety or in part pictured in Peter Von Lukacs and Wade K.s book. I dont know Ive only taken a few quick glimpses at that book.Maybe someone can look and see. ".....I expect better from you....check your dammed facts. It is NOT in the book and I have never seen this tunic in my life. Myth buster number one!

Secondly....."Hundingsbane" is neither Peter of myself! Neither of us have seen this tunic.....so myth busted number two. (My ebay username, of which I have always just had one is at 320+ and 100% positive after 7 years!)

How dare you peddle such rubbish? and "WillyB" who the hell are you? The panzer book was my work alone and what do you know about it? It is a respected work. So if you know something I don't....speak up or just shut up. Because you have no right to slander my work. Obviously another forum "armchair expert".

Your conduct is reprehensable as it contains no facts, just wild speculation. You can start actuiong like adults and children in the schoolplayground!

From what I can see here wade definately a miss understanding here.

Looks like this tunic is being totally confused with the 'Nord' tunic that has Mountain troop shoulder boards along with a 2nd class ribbon to button hole on page 46.Even the buttons are spaced out differently.The pockets have a much more generous scallop and the rank patch has a double braid for those who havn't the book at hand.

The tunic above does look like a real tunic , no question.
Very hard to comment on the insignia from that distance and sharper more detail pics would help from Brian.I like the underside of the collar very much and typical of the period.

Clearly two different tunics.

My five cents worth.
NCO

Wade why are you twisting what I said? I said no such thing about you being an "ebay peddler".You need to watch your tone.Perhaps I was mistaken about the tunic being in the book, and thats all you had to say.

You also accuse me of leading on that you are "Hundingsbane" which if I re-read everything I said no such thing.I think your response to my post is rubbish and as can be clearly seen, unfounded.I know who "Hundingsbane" is or was and years ago almost bought this tunic from him, until someone told me the eagle was a fake and I was sent pictures of it.I know where it went after that and who had it in Spain.Give me a break with your "righteous indignation" that has no base.

Ill leave it at that Wade.Im not responsible for comments made by WillyB.But dont accuse me of saying things I did not,as anyone can plainly see.Who is making "idiotic" statements here me or you Wade, youre a perfect example of how a little thing gets blown into a big jumbled confused mess until it gets deleted or locked down and disappears off the face of the earth so know one can learn anything.

Firstly....don't tell me to watch MY tone. I am angry and have every right to be. John....what a stupid thing to say....that it MIGHT be in the book but could someone look for you? Rediculous! Go check your facts and THEN comment! YOUR comments left the door open for this "willyb" who incidentally has made only that single contribution to this forum.....so YOU wear responsibility! You cannot isolate your various comments from each other.....read the whole conribution you made and it doesn't read nicely.

As for 'willyb' whoever he is......obviously he is a senile retiree who just started collecting. As he has made no other contributions to this forum other than this. So there is some malicious adjenda there I think!

Finally....if people want constructive education on these forums then they will crush rediculouis comments and barbs like those above. They will check their facts. Because I have always had a lot to offer and have been happy to help and do so.....but not any more....nope. I refrain from the forums now becausae of stupid games like this! And I am not the only one!

Now YOU go have think about that John! I have had it! I have asked fo this to be struck off....and if it isn't then it stands as a testament as to why so many with some knowledge to offer AVOID forums like this!
Wade K.

Excellent responce Wade, Im with you all the way. Your knowledge, professionalism and expertise is appreciated by many. Having viewed your collection and seen your research I have great admiration for your efforts. Regards Bill Bourque

Hi Bill,
thanks. Your coments are appreciated.

It is occassions like this that just make many of us who have been at it for a long time just stay away from these forums in droves. There are lots of very experienced people sitting just watching......myself now included because we want to avoid just such rediculous behaviour. Instead of sticking to commenting on an item (if they have something useful to contribute) a thread like this can turn into a chance to kick a person in the head.....one not even involved in any way!

I am also bothered that this "willyb" can just sign up.....make one comment and nothing else...no history.....no proper profile and no other contributions. The "educational" process is obviously being abused here!

Hope life is treating you well Bill.
Cheers, Wade.

Hello Wade...we are looking into this and addressing the issues..and will be in touch shortly. This thread appears to be going no where productive (obviously)..and has gotten down right nasty.

It will be interesting to see where this goes.It obviously hasnt been "struck off", nor do I feel it should be. It is a good testament as to how one can turn something around to sound how they would like it to sound...for whatever reason?

You know what people are really tired of? Censorship because some self proclaimed expert author dealer throws a hissy fit over a comment.Your tired of contributing? Then dont but dont linger and reply when you get your feelings hurt by some innocuous comment.Would you mind, if you have a copy handy, posting whats on pages 34-35? I was serious when I said I honestly dont know and couldve been wrong and your fierce attack on my character for simply thinking, possibly mistakenly, it might be the one in the book is completely out of line and unwarranted.Why so angry at a simple mistake?

And like I said I am not responsible for others comments and have no control over that so dont take it out on me.

I definately have to put my support in for John here. John knows more about Waffen SS tunics than any other collector I know.

Panzer: I don't think I care to ever buy your book after your childish tirade.

The tunic posted above does not appear in Wade K. and Peter V.L's Book on Waffen SS Uniforms.

Hi Pablo could you tell me what appears on the pages 34 and 35?

John;
I am at work now.I will check the book within a couple of hours.I am positive this uniform does not appear in it,at least not in this Officers "Configuration".
I notice it is an enlisted tunic,not unlike many of the "Russian Museum Captures" featured in the above mentioned publication.
Are you saying it is one of those uniforms with different insignia?
I am not taking absolutely any sides in this.I do not particularly care much either for the tunic or the book.I just happen to have it in my library.
John has my utmost respect as an older,experienced SS Tunic Collecor with an "Eagle Eye".
So does Wade.His Co-Authored Work on the SS has mistakes,but his Panzer stuff is Great.
I wonder though at USSOLDIER11 and Willib's real interests....
Looks like somebody is 'trying to poison the well".

quote:

Originally posted by JohnPic79:
Hi Pablo could you tell me what appears on the pages 34 and 35?

Waffen SS Uniforms & Insignia, by W. Krawczyk & P. v. Lukacs, Page 34 + 35:
Headgear: 'Plane tree' camouflage helmet cover. 4 pictures and descriptions

Army Panzer Uniforms in colour photographs, by W. Krawczyk, pages 34 + 35:
Third pattern Panzer jacket - Oberleutnant.
4 pictures and descriptions
(As by the title of the book this is something you would expect...)

No Pablo, I was just trying to find out if it was. Thanks. Thats ok if its not,it still doesnt warrant the attack on me.I was told it may be in there in whole or just a piece of it.But apparently its not.To clarify things the originl person who auctioned this on Ebay back then was not Wade and I did not suggest he did, but a guy named "Bengt".

The guy that started all of this usarmysoldier consistantly posts crap all over this forum and then presents it for sale. He consistantly gets mad when informed that his wares are not good. BEWARE!!!!!!

Much as I wish to comment at length about the soundness or lack of of some member's comments-research-knowledge, I will refrain pending investigation by the management.

I have been extremely gratified by the emails of support I have recieved here, my thanks and you know who you are.
Wade K.

Another example of noodleheaded nasty comments. I would say to the form moderators that this is called flaming and if Wade is allowed to do it then you had better allow me when I get started.You may have some fooled that you know something but theres a reason I dont keep your book in my library,just my opinion too.In case you start threatening slander and lawsuits as is the usual MO for your type.There are a few who dont like me but junkies are always deaf to the truth.

I've had Wade's Waffen SS Uniforms & Insignia book for quite some time now and find it an excellent and superb reference and work of art!!

HUH

John,
let me tell you this clearly so you understand.....you have a reputation now....you are a clown, and your last comments show this in abundance. You have left a trail of winging whiney "somebody done me wrong" and "I USED to have..." entries across several forums.

You are a professional amateur. You complain, offer unstable opinion and are generally regarded as a joke. You as much as admit that you have made a mistake even mentioning this tunic in connection with myself (no connection) or the book (not in the book) and that it was probably a criminal dealer called Bengt (no connection what so ever to me) and that you didn't even look to see if it was in the book, someone just told you it might be....(no...it's not in the book). But instead of apologising and walking away from what is a mistake, like an adult would, you get all uppetty because I am insulted by your mindless unresearched entries? How does that work?

You are a child, you behave like one, you make no valid points and you are digging your own grave (speaking of your reputation & judging by the numerous emails I have received). So why don't you just think about that a while before you write your next rediculous reply? YOU WERE WRONG.....are you man enough to admit it? Probably not.
Wade K.

I'm sorry Panzer, but you are looking really silly here!

Take a chill pill.

Tim,
he is wrong. He has basically said he got it wrong, but he cannot apologise. And go back and read his last entry....WHO is looking silly?

On reading your previous entry....if John is the most experienced person you know collecting Waffen SS tunics then you are in trouble, oh and personally....I do not care if you buy a single one of my books.....that is not what this about.

Wade K.

I'm closing this thread for a short time so everyone can chill. There's good info here for members like me who don't know anything about SS cloth. But this is not a good example of members discussing the merits of the tunic.

This thread is now open. Hopefully everyone has had a chance to chill and return to a discussion of tunics.

This is a "Bigfoot" Eagle, they are well known fakes.

This is a flatwire "Bigfoot" sewn to a real tunic with "capture" tags from the east and pictured in Wades book page 57. It was this eagle that I mistook for the one on the tunic starting this thread,sorry, I apologize Wade, a different fake than the fake one on the "Hundingsbane" tunic.

A close up picture of the picture in the book page 57.Note the Zig zag stitching used.

And now here is an original flatwire, of the three varients this is the rarest.