#69802
09/27/2006 07:39 PM
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Hello gentlemen,
my friend found (at the field) this ring dated 30.6.34. Name of the recipient is Furk or Fürk.... Could anybody with proper part of Dienstallterliste be so kind and give me some info about him?
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#69803
09/27/2006 07:40 PM
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09/27/2006 07:42 PM
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09/27/2006 07:43 PM
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09/27/2006 07:45 PM
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And the last one for today... Thanks for watching and any info....
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#69807
09/27/2006 08:02 PM
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Sadly this highly interesting ring seems to be nearly damaged by unexperienced and improper cleaning. Just my thoughts.
Please show the portion with the name to be able to verify it.
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#69808
09/27/2006 08:21 PM
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Wotan, the ring was on the field, and being worn from 1934 it is in shape you can see... Here is the pic before cleaning.
I have not received a pic with name, and owner does not want to post it now, I am sorry.
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#69809
09/27/2006 08:36 PM
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DIG WE MUST!
Yes, considering the ring had about 11 years wear ,,then about 60 years in the ground it cleaned up pretty nice..
I had saw a few photos of this ring on the CZ digger site last week. While I appreciate mint condition rings I just love ones like this!
So, just from these photos alone,,anyone want to share their opinion if its a 'good one' or not?
Another 'before' shot...
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#69810
09/27/2006 09:39 PM
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Gaspare,
The whole "ground dug" thing makes me a lot more squeamish with some of the worn fakes eminating from the former Eastern Bloc countries nowadays. On the forum this past year we've seen several quite good copies that were artificially worn down that were quite good and might have fooled a lot of collectors. That said, I do like the Himmler signature on this one myself.
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#69811
09/27/2006 10:17 PM
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I agree. It seems to have the traits of a 30's ring and i too like the signature. Would like to see more pics though.
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#69812
09/28/2006 06:12 AM
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I have been quite aware that this ring was worn heavily. This is not the case here. BUT imo it was cleaned very unprofessional. IMO a very careful, special cemical treatment (and no erasing treatment like here, as you can see in many certain traces) would have done the best to reveal this otherwise nice ring. As said, imo now it is nearly damaged.
Also imo the name is Furk or Fürk is wrong as it is not in the ´36 DAL. It would be necessary to have a look on the engraved name to rekognize it for sure.
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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#69813
09/28/2006 12:36 PM
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Jan., please if possible a few more shots..And,,check the name spelling, or best to show it..There is a similar name 'Furst' on the 35 list that has the ring. , thanks,G.
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#69814
10/03/2006 09:31 PM
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Finally I have some (not very good) pics of the name... Hope somebody could recognize it and find the recipient on DAL.
Thanks,
Jan
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10/03/2006 09:32 PM
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10/03/2006 09:34 PM
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And last... thanks for watching...
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#69817
10/04/2006 11:51 AM
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Nobody has this recipient on the list? 
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#69818
10/04/2006 11:37 PM
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Jan,
The pictures are still somewhat tough to figure out. At times the first letter looks like a "F" and at other times it looks like a "T".
Is it possible that the second letter is an "a" instead of a "ü"? If so, I have 2 suggestions, Alfred Fank (SS-Untersturmfürer, SS# 48923) and Fritz Tank (SS-Obersturmführer, SS# 57212).
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#69819
10/05/2006 01:58 AM
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not sure if this will be any better but,,
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#69820
10/05/2006 02:22 AM
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Something about the writing just does not look right.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
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#69821
10/16/2006 08:51 PM
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Here are some new details of the name....
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10/16/2006 08:53 PM
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10/16/2006 08:55 PM
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Last one.... The name really looks to be Furk, and is not contained in Patzwall's book... Is there any hope to identify owner of this old ring?
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#69824
10/17/2006 03:13 AM
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Jan,
No book is absolute in it's truths, I believe Patzwall's book contains only a partial list of just prewar ring recipients. I don't think you can completely discount the ring because the name doesn't appear in Patzwall's book although it would have made it easier if the name was there. I will also agree with you that the name does appear to be "Furk". An interesting ring to say the least.
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#69825
10/17/2006 04:20 AM
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Billy, I agree with you concerning the Patzwall's book of course, and it was not my intention to discount value of this ring not having any info on the recipient. I hope I will find my own piece and will be more lucky with the name  Thanks for all comments and oppinions gentlemen... Jan
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#69826
10/17/2006 04:18 PM
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Hi
The ring name certainly looks like FURCK when you look at it. Is it possible that it could be JURCK?
There is one listed in the DAL who received a ring that would fit in with the bestowal date.
Raymond
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#69827
10/17/2006 05:12 PM
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Nothing else than -Furk-. The latest, very good pics confirm this.
Perhaps this is one of the few cases which is said are reported that a ring was awarded to a non officer therefore not in the DAL?
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#69828
01/14/2007 10:16 AM
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HELLO,im into and have been studying these rings for years now,this speciemen is real.He appears in the 35 list and also should appear in the 34..The signature is correct,the engraving is correct.Yu have a nice ring,,is it for sale??AND DOES ANYONE HAVE A REAL RING BOX FOR SALE.EMAIL ME AT SFORACING@SBCGLOBAL.NET
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#69829
01/15/2007 03:34 AM
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hello Thomas,,in the future if your interested in an item another member posts please contact him personally thru the PM system or email..Also,,you'll get better results with your 'want' in the GDC Want section...Thanks ,G.
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#69830
01/16/2007 05:54 AM
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Hello Thomas,
I am sure my friend will not sell this ring... But would you be so kind and give me more infor on the recipient?
Thank you very much in advance.
Regards,
Jan
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#69831
11/06/2007 07:10 PM
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So, the story continues and this ring is already sold. New owner insist on the name is "Jurk", full name Walter Jurk (29. 4. 1904 - ?) SS-Obersturmbannführer, SS-Nr.44795, NSDAP Nr.29792.
What do you think, could the first letter really be "J"?
Jan
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#69832
11/07/2007 08:49 PM
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I don't believe that ring awardees were recorded prior to 1935 or maybe 36....more to the point I feel even more sure that 1934 awardees were not logged at the time. This might explain why the name is not found in the SSRL as a ring holder.
Second point...really a question. I have long understood that earlier rings...maybe all type 1 rings, were made out of 3 parts...those being the skull, the outer band and an inner band. The inner band being inserted and silver sodered into a recess of the outer band...I have even seen some earlier rings that seem to show this....is this true? I have asked this question many years ago on the forum and was dismissed...just thought that I would bring it up again. I do not own any early rings with which to make a personnel assesment.
Thanks
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#69833
11/08/2007 04:52 AM
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Jan, with that cross stroke it doesn't look like a J.. Could just be his name is not on a list like so many others...
jds,,it does kind of look like its a 3 piece. It could be the production marks from the permanent mold [casting die]...
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