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#68761 07/24/2006 11:42 PM
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Hi, just hoping to get some opinions about this knife. The seller says :

The marking on the handle are RZM M7/66/34/ followed by the nazi SS symbol.
The other part of the handle also has an SS symbol followed by Streifendierst which I believe was the watch patrol or police unit of the hitler youth, they were usually recruited into the SS, gestapo and deaths head squadrons.

Karl Eickhorn Solingen marked blade.

Any ideas of value?

Photo attached. Thanks in advance.

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#68762 07/24/2006 11:56 PM
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That is a well known fake and fantasy peice... Stay away from it unless you can get it for like a buck or two. Then it might be worth it just for a good laugh and to have something to talk about when you have your friends over.

#68763 07/25/2006 12:02 AM
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You can usually buy them for 75-200

#68764 07/25/2006 12:15 AM
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I agree with previous postings, totally a fantasy piece. Never existed in Germany during the war. I believe they are also referred to as a panagraph knife. Buy only as a novalty and not as a WWII era antique.


Thanks, Blademan

#68765 07/25/2006 03:34 PM
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There were original pantograph knives of this design made in Germany in the late 1920s or early 1930's.

That one is an well known fake.

Dave

#68766 07/26/2006 01:37 AM
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Dave: There where pantograph knifes in the 20s and 30s? Please post a photo of an original!

I know that this very fake in the photo now (wich is a totally fantasy) has been around since the 60s, and has gone under several names, (even beeing sold with fake papers of autenicity, for example as beeing a prototype, or beeing a custom job for 10 or so Gau-leaders as a personal gift from Hitler, or Himmler, himself), but I have never ever heard of a 20s, 30s Pantograph, be it nazi or not.

First one I ever saw of the "pantograph-type" was accually not even one of these fake third reichs, but a brand spanking new nickel/silver variaty. It was sold as a paratrooper foldingknife.

As these things do not fool the serious collector I see no real harm, especially since they have been around for some time now and are well know in our community, and people who are getting into our hobby are hopefully asking around on the net FIRST (read: postiong here or on some other forum first), but the real problem also starts here. Whith these things beeing around for so long (surfacing perhaps just 10-15 yrs. after the end of the war) they are accually gaining some patina. This goes for all items, and just not fantasies but regular reprodutions made in those days. This is a sad thing and I (unfourtunantlly) expect to see more of theese things showing up in the next few years to come. I just hope that this will non deter the newcomers to join in our great hobby or some of the "old brigade" to simply drop of...

#68767 07/26/2006 01:01 PM
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I think there is a photo in one of my reference books and if I can find it I will post it.

Dave

#68768 07/26/2006 10:59 PM
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Hello, just wanted to add I picked one of these up at a gun show in Monroeville, Pa. for 20 bucks, new in box. I got it to replace my old lockblade I carry. Interesting enough though is that they sell the same model knife as a german paratrooper knife in two cutlery stores in town(minus any stampings and in stainless).

#68769 05/03/2009 03:55 AM
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Dear Sirs,

Can anyone tell me if this is a real knife or if this is one of the fakes. It has the swastika on the blade and on the blade lock instead of the other pictured knife that has an eagle on it.

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