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Howdy all there is currently good reproduction of the Feldherrnhalle dagger on Militaria 321

http://www.militaria321.com/auktionsdetails.cfm?auctionID=5211732

for those (like me)who could only dream of owning the real thing this looks not too bad - dont know if the price is okay though? thoughts?

As our member nats found out (because of a remark from me) that this "auction" is using mvogels´ pics of his FHH reproduction. nats told me that he has informed mvogel about that.
As the article in militaria 321 should be at Brisbane/Australia I am not sure about what this all means. are the copies much less quality therefore mvogels´pics were used? are there any copies at Australia???
A quality reproduction of a FHH for sure would be cheap for such a price as I already have them seen go for about 2500 Eur in Europa auctions several years ago.
Just my thoughts and just for information.

Interesting - i live in Brisbane so i will get in contact with the seller and see what gives. Thanks for the heads up about Manfred's pics. Public holiday here tomorrow so the seller should be home..
Tony

Here the pic from Mvogel´s dagger nats has stored.

And the one in the auction.

I've asked the Seller for more photos too and am yet to receive a response.

Nats has informed me of this. But this is not the first time that someone 'borrowed' my pictures from the 'German Dress Daggers' website.
I like to add here that I have seen some other more recent reproductions of the FHH dagger and observed that the workmanship was rather crude. Specifically the grip was badly finished, disproportional and unsymetrical.
I would suggest to anyone interested to get pictures of the dagger from the seller. The fact that he uses pictures from other sources is somewhat concerning to say the least.
This, and the fact that the dagger supposedly comes with a custom presentation case makes it just too good to be true for the price.

I have been in contact with the seller and the daggers are held up in customs (very familar to us Aussies..) once they are released i will have a looksie and take some pics.

If they are held up in Customs the question I would have is where do they come from since they must have been imported from some manufacturing facility of another country. Considering the relatively low price it would most likely be some Asian country where the labor costs are low. (China??) Just a thought.

If the Seller is telling the truth, he/she could guess that the item(s) are delayed by Customs by using a tracking source, however they would have no idea what the release date would be to receive the item from Customs.

Location of manufacture is Pakistan, unfortunatly SDP your tracking wont always show that customs have your dagger. On a couple of occasions i have had to contact them after what i have been trying to import has gone MIA.

Sturm... tracking should at least show the date and time that it hits the country? At that point, it has to be with Customs so it can be cleared.

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FHH reproduction

Hi Wotan.

Actually, I believe Manfred's is more than a reproduction. I would better characterize it as an FFH dagger assembled from actual parts.

@ Börse, sorry, due to my experiences (and believe me, I do have them on FHH daggers ) I cannot believe that actual/period metal parts of a FHH dagger could be altered to such a look. Perhaps they are cast from original parts but I do not think in this case were/are used period metal parts (perhaps except the blade).

Yes and No SDP, for some reason (and god bless customs for this) none of the daggers i buy from Germany ever get stopped. The annoying thing with customs is that it may take up to 3 weeks for them to send you a letter to advise your item has been seized. I will agree in this instance though that if you were importing 50 odd daggers that you would have to expect them to be seized...

I have never seen this auction site before. Do any members have experience with it? Although I was unable to find the particular auction I think that any seller who would steal photographs has to be at least suspect.

Manfred have you contacted the site about your images being used without consent?

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Originally posted by Vaughan:
I have never seen this auction site before. Do any members have experience with it? Although I was unable to find the particular auction I think that any seller who would steal photographs has to be at least suspect.

Manfred have you contacted the site about your images being used without consent?

Item has been pulled thanks to GDC member Nats

Hi Thanks SDP,I'am sure the guy wanted to know who turned him in,nats

No, I have not notified the auction site. My pictures have been routinely copied on various occasions, thus, I don't pay much attention to it anymore.

I'm trying to rationalize why this seller had to use my pictures. If the daggers are hung up in Customs then he should have some picture from where ever he is importing them. After all, he must have some idea what he is buying. If he doesn't know what they look like and doesn't have them in his possession then he he is selling something he doesn't have. Thats not too good. In addition, his sales history is kinda paultry and suggests that he might have changed his ID. To sum it all up, I wouldn't be too eager to do business with him.

Wotan: Regarding the construction of my FHH, I don't know where the parts came from or who made them but there are certain features that suggest that they were manufactured in a sophisticated facility rather than some backyard sandcasting operation. For one, the crossguards are hollow inside and to the exact dimensions.
The scabbard is also dimensionally correct and manufactured from two stamped halves that were fused together. All parts (except the blade) are made of brass. Considering the sharp definition of the crossguards I believe that the parts were made in Solingen using original tooling.
Apparently some repro FHHs were made of parts cast in a mold made from the originals. Those were as a rule about 10% smaller in size than the originals due to mold and casting shrinkage.

FHH hilt

mvogel, I did not say anything about quality in my earlier post.
What you have written in your post does confirm me that these are not period parts.
Imo your dagger is a quality repro and as already said I have seen such going for about 2500EUR. The "look" of your dagger imo does resemble much more the look of the LUTZE dagger which was no FHH dagger per se but a GIFT dagger FROM the FHH.
Compare with an original (sorry, not the best pic).

Morning all, i have been away for most of the weekend and have only just caught up on this thread. I asked the seller about the pics and the response was that they were sent to him from the makers of the dagger in Pakistan by way of example. I havent heard anything since Stan had the auction cancelled but will keep trying to get in contact again and hopefully obtain some pics.

Did anything ever come of this posting? I, for one, wouldn't mind an FHH replica if it came at a replica price.

You would have to look for a replica as currently I am nowhere aware of an original one for sale .
Regards,

Regimentals had one on offer about a year ago allegedly from Italy, I think, for the princely sum of £33,000. Sadly I'd just blown my walk about money on a portapee and had to pass on it!

Terry Pullen, sorry that I missed that offer. I try to registrate each offer of an original FHH and it´s way through times, collections and dealers since years.
Do you have saved any pics of the one at Regimentals?
Regards,

That one was "lacking" in many respects!!!
Seiler

Sorry Wotan. No pics as a lot of dealers are a bit chary when it comes to you taking snaps of their Merchandise. I'm sure that you have Regimental's address but, just in case, it's http://regimentals.co.uk/ You could get in touch and ask about it.

Terry Pullen, thank you very much. I have hoped it has been on their site and there could be copies saved.
Thank you for reply, regards,

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That one was "lacking" in many respects!!!
Seiler

Hi Seiler. Did you see it as well or has something just gone COMPLETELY over my head?

Yes,I held it!!Lives nearby...
Came from Show in Milan.Grip was repaired
even looked like plastic!!
Scabbard however did display the classic FHH flaw!Apart from the money?not for me.
Cheers
Seiler

Wotan.. Just found this.

RE: Feldherrnhalle dagger on British website (in SA & NSKK Dagger Forum) by Jason Burmeister
FHH appears to be 100% original and textbook in every way. At $47000.00 it is fairly priced....
German Daggers Dot Com > German Daggers Dot Com > German Daggers Dot Com > SA & NSKK Dagger Forum
02 August 2003 10:58

Hi Guys,
The one from Milan was not so long ago.More like a couple years tops.They HAVE had two (2)The first was at MAX Show 2003.Dont believe it sold as there were I heard three!!!!
Seiler.

Terry Pullen, thank you very much, I could find the proper thread. I did a search for several times for my references. This thread alsways seems having been aside from my results. Now I found it.
There are bacelite grips and wooden grips. Both are said to be period. Personally I do not like the bacelite grips although I too do (!) think they are period. Imo they do not match this exclusive dagger (just my personal opinion and my thoughts). I have had once a discussion on those grips. It seems that the early daggers (I do know one with a one digit marking) had wooden grips. Than they changed to the bacelite gripped FHH daggers. But those from at least about #40 upwards (I know three of them) again have wooden grips. Nobody does know or can explain the fact.
They are fascinating daggers. Those who don´t like them don´t own one....
Regards,

Seiler