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That is the third version of this distributor. Shown are the other two. Nice bayonet.


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The city of Hamm is located in Westphalia. My WAG would be that Hamm i. W. is an abbreviation of "Hamm in Westfallen" which may differentiate it with another town of the same name.
This was a common practice in Germany. An example of this would be "Frankfurt am Main" and "Frankfurt am Oder".


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Hi! Always discovering new marks! Thanks TK for the other two marks, I'm always surprised by the number of the variations of the maker & distributors marks, Denny, thanks for the city name explanation, I supposed it has relation with a city name, best regards.

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Here are couple new Distributor marks and one new TM.

W. Mössner, Münster

Uniform Spangenmacher, Oldenburg, iO

Rich. Plümacher, Solingen





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Here are couple new Distributor marks and one new TM.

W. Mössner, Münster

Uniform Spangenmacher, Oldenburg, iO
Interesting that the i.O.means Oldenburg in Oldenburg to distinguish it from the city of Oldenburg in Holstein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldenburg

Rich. Plümacher, Solingen





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Here is a TM that I have overlooked, ME bad. Photo shows name only TM, but one has been seen with the double beer bottles above name. This collector needs one, email me if you know of one for sale




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Great work Terry, I always love coming back to this thread & all the awesome info that's contained in it. Kudos for adding the new (to me anyway) Plumacher logo. I always have loved Plumacher's simple but memorable mark.


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I don't know if the above TM was known to all.

Its listed in John Walters book of German Bladesmiths as WMW WAFFEN--Max Weyersberg.

Fishers book shows a TM WMW with a sword thru the M and Waffen below.

So Max Weyersberg has a least three TM's


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This TM is listed as HK--Heinrich Klein in John Walters book, and in Fishers book as brand name for Heinrich Klein on razor blades. Maybe he made a few Dress Bayonet to.


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Terry:

I have seen the HK TM on fire bayonets and I have the Max Weyersberg TM on a Luft2. Actually, I have 3 Max Weyerrsberg TMs on Luft2s. Here they are. I don't know how many of these are on bayonets, though.

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Terry,

Does Walters give any reason why he feels the HK mark is Heinrich Klein? Not saying he's wrong but the reason I ask is the dotted circle with initial inside is a dead ringer for Heinrich Krieghof's mark on Luger pistols. I've seen 3 types of HK mark, all within the dotted circle, straight letters, letters with serifs & cursive letters.


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The HK mark inside of the dotted circle is shown in Fisher as a mark on Heinrich Krieghoff fire dress bayonets.

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Originally Posted By: TKissinger


This TM is listed as HK--Heinrich Klein in John Walters book, and in Fishers book as brand name for Heinrich Klein on razor blades. Maybe he made a few Dress Bayonet to.


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Nothing more than what I stated above. I have never seen the HK logo without the sword/anchor on Krieghoff Lugers. I'm not an expert on Lugers

John

I don't have the latest Fishers book,(mine is the 6th edition) but I do know that he was wrong on some of the earlier books he put out and changed then in later versions. I'm not saying I'm right but there is a question in my mind about the HK TM or is it a Brand Name for Heinrich Klein. I love a mystery.

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Fisher's Seventh Edition also shows it as Heinrich Krieghoff.

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I know the H.K. mark, with no circle as far as I know, as the mark of Heinrich Klein from the Schwäbisch Gmünd ring factory. That could be the reason for the confusion? Is the H.K. mark within a circle in Anthony Carters book? Thanks.

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I have finally got both versions of the W.F.P. marked bayonets. I usually find these in poor condition but these two a little above average.
These two have the elongated diamond grips and no slot style stud buttons, 8 1/4" blades. Blades, hilt, every thing magnetic. I'm guessing these are prewar. Does anyone know anything about these.



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Terry,

You know, I have always been convinced that the HK mark was that of Krieghof but you make an excellent point with respect to the Krieghof Lugers & the anchor. I wonder what the source of Walter's conclusion that HK was really Heinrich Klein.

Regarding your two beautiful WFP bayonets, they're very desirable. In fact, I don't think I've seen a short model before these two. The logo with initials is definitely more scarce. My oly example is a long model but with stag grips.


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The Heinrich Klein from Solingen in my references also has the HK mark, but with no periods and no dotted circle. Can the author be contacted?

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Terry,

Here's a shot of my long model stag "WFP", sans initials. Blade is 26cm (10 1/4") & the scabbard is slightly longer than the usual long model scabbard as well. I always found it odd that the stag was so light but on the 3 examples I've seen with this logo & stag grip plates, all were similarly toned.

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To all

Has anyone see this WK&C TM



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Here are some better photos, I now have this bayonet in hand. The blade is 10 1/4" long(prewar?), fully magnetic. Notice how the grip rivets don't align. I can't think WKC would have stamped the blade but it is stamped like the early TM's with the (&) symbol.
The scabbard had wood runners that just fell out. I will make new ones.





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Found a nice G. GRAFRATH, short blade for my collection. Its been a good week, three new dress bayonets for my collection.



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Nice pick ups all. The Gebruder Grawiso is one I haven't managed to find in a fireman's bayonet yet but I suspect they're out there.


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Terry, sorry on get back so late on your W.F.P post . That is a very nice pair to have, I'll have to add the lettered style one later down the road.

Billy the one in stag I think is going on my list too, that's a keeper.

This one is the short style and it seems the green felt buffer is commen with this maker. And this one was found with a very odd frog, it's the only one I've seen like it. If some one has one like it please post a pic.

Steve,

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Steve,

Speaking of keepers, not only is your WFP sweet but that interesting frog makes it a great looking rig! If I see another stag WFP, you're getting an email smile


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Thanks Billy, you and a lot of others here always help out us other Collecters here find what we look for. I do enjoy the few I have from your stable. Down the road I'll thin some of mine out for nicer ones. Or I can knock a wall out, I need a bigger room:)

Steve,


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Steven:

Billy and Terry are both stand up guys who have been a credit to the collecting community at large and a huge help and resource to many of us, me included.

If you are thinning out your collection and have any Eickhorns that are surplus, please let me know.

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Steve

I was at an antique show in Ohio on Sat. and picked this piece up. Not rare but the condition was out of sight and its an upgrade to the one I have.

My one WFP has a green felt buffer also. I am surprise that it may have been the norm.

John

Thanks for the kind words. I think most of the dress bayonet collectors help each other out, but at the same time there is a little competition on finding something new.


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Terry, I don't think you can up grade that one. Wow!!
It's get harder now days to find them that nice, well done.

When I see them that nice they are $$$ and I ******** as I did in 1975 when German helmets $25 take your pick, not SS or paratrooper. they still are what they are, But then again as a kid then a loaf of bread was .25c


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I just came across a third version (second form the top) of the distributor Eckhard. Is there a fourth version?




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I just received this Eickhorn dress bayonet with a spine etch mark to Otto Bromer of Wolfenbuttel. I have never seen this distributor before and this is the first spine etch mark that I have seen on a dress bayonet (of course, lots of hunting and forestry examples).

And, did I mention that it has a great set of stag grips?

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John,
See post #63296 - pg. 4 of this thread. Nice catch!!!


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John,
That one seems to be a very hard one to find, yours is only the 2nd one I've seen. I have one the exact same as yours that's a long Eick with stag grips. The pic on page 4 that Denny pointed out is the one I have.
I think one of us collectors here need to find the short model in stag.

Just want to add you have picked up some awesome bayonets lately, well done John you have a top notch collection.

Steve,

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John,

Just want to add you have picked up some awesome bayonets lately, well done John you have a top notch collection.

Steve,


+1 to that!


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Nothing rare at the SOS this year, but did pick this up from my good friend Chester L. I've seen lots of bayonets with the Garantie, Solingen stamped on them but this one is also stamped Hans Kramer, Nurnberg. Not rare but a bit unusual. If you have never been to the SOS, try to attend next year. I want to thank Denny G. for letting me hang out at his table.






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Terry,
Always a pleasure. I'm glad you and I decided to head out on Saturday evening and miss the snow & ice.


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I just picked up a Dress bayonet that is distributor marked G. O. Schultz, Glogau. Glogau was in Poland and was put in the German sector when Russia and Germany split up Poland. Glogau was returned to Poland at the end of the war. I think this is the first one that I have seen that came from outside Germans original borders.

The town was made into a stronghold by the Nazi government in 1945 during World War II. Glogau was besieged for six weeks by the Soviet Red Army and was 98% destroyed. After the Yalta Conference, the city, like the majority of Lower Silesia, was given to Poland and German-speaking inhabitants were expelled. In May 1945 the first Polish settlers came to the renamed city of Glogów to find only ruins


All the plating is gone on the pommel except for around the grip plates












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Terry,

First I've heard or seen of one of these, very, very nice ... thanks for posting!

Best!

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Wow, Terry!

I gotta believe that that is truly a one-of-a-kind.

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