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This just came to me out of the woodwork. I wasn't aware there was a GES. Geschutzt included in the blade etch just above the ricasso. Is this standard ? I couldn't find any info. in my references..

The Eickhorn logo is stamped..

Another shot..

What years would this logo be attributed to?

Strange that the Eickhorn logo is upside down and the use of the Ges Gesch�tzt I thought was pre Nazi, although they may have used it into early 1933/34, this mark indicates 1935/41. In Houstons Guide the upside down Eickhorn mark is a red flag but on it's own I do not know if this would constitute a reproduction.The hirschf�nger has the hall marks of an earlier possibly weimar type but has the 35/41 stamped mark albeit upside down. Strange to say the least, maybe they were using up older parts, I don't know and that doesn't explain the upside down mark unless the guy who stamped it was having a mare of a day.

Gary

This cutlass has an even patina and shows proper aging throughout and appears to never have been apart.

The 35/41 Eickhorn logo with the Ges. Geschutzt kind of throws me .. Knowing where the piece came from ....

Mike

If you go to the front page of Houstons forum and click on "collectors guide", you'll be able to download the guide.

Gary

I agree with you Mike, it does show what looks like a nice even patina consistent with what you would expect to find on an edged weapon from this period, maybe it's just an anomoly and we will never find out the explanation. Where did the piece come from.

Gary

Hi Gary,

I got it from the fellow that brought it back from the war. He said it has been in his possession all this time.. It has never been in a collection. Curious, to be sure ...

I found and downloaded Houston's guide. Nice guide, Thanks Houston... I'll send Vern a ten spot..

Hopefully, Houston and others will have theories..

Mike

I am using Johnson's Volume three, page 189 for comparison. This trademark, to me, doesn't look exactly like any of the examples there.

Notice the squirel's arm position on the sword blade. It is lower down the blade. The 35/41 logo has the squirrel's arm or paw closer to the hilt. Is there a better Eickhorn trademark reference available? Possibly on the Internet?

The blade is an earlier piece. Why it has the 35-41 TM is unknown.The piece is not "textbook"-that's for sure. This is unusual but Eickhorn was quite unpredictable with their various stamps and TM's. Sometimes it seems that they used whatever they happened to pick up. There are also quite a few variations of the various TM's used in no concrete period of time. Also-no good reference as no one knows any exact time frames or why Eickhorn had such a lack of uniformity pre-1945. The good thing is that there was very good uniformity in the production of post war pieces-so you won't have much trouble detecting them-if you have my guide. On occasion you will find a piece such as this with one or two red flags. There may be others-is there a spring? If not --that's three.

Houston, Thank you..

Yes there is a galvanized spring inside the scabbard, it is attached via the staple on the upper scabbard fitting. The scabbard fittings are not magnetic. The hirschfanger is tight and quite high quality. There is also a laural leaf etch on the blade spine. The pommel nut/ball has not been tampered with, it's tight.. The black scabbard leather has the two decorative lines and is in excellent condition to include the stitching on the reverse. No dents or abuse anywhere. What would you value a piece like this at? Hope you don't mind my asking ..

About $500

Houston, Gary,

Thank you for your help..

Best..

Mike Wipf

Looks like there were using up parts on this one for sure, why throw stuff if it's good enough to use. Probably early 1935 then before they went into full production on the newer stuff.

Nice hirschf�nger Mike

Gary

Is this upside down?

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This image is from a forestry Cutlass that just sold on eBay.

This logo is upside down .. Right??

No-On the oval this is the correct position. On the 35-41 the head should be on the cross guard end and the feet toward the point.

;o)

Mike, That Eickhorn mark is 100% correct as is the remainder of the hirschf�nger.

Gary

Hi Gary,

Thanks, I know the mark is correct. It's the upside down theory I have a problem with. I know it originated in one of Johnson's antiquated picture books. My theory is that workers at the Eickhorn factory were told to use up a batch of earlier produced blades and weren't paying attention to what they were doing when they were stamping the rat-tail, 35-41 logo on the ricassos. Period, post period, absolutely no way to prove it. I also do not hold a lot of faith in textbookisms. I don't think Houston does either.

We all need to pitch in and buy a time machine.