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#53086 01/29/2008 02:06 PM
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I've always had an interest in SS daggers that are numbered. Coupled with the SS Dienstalterlist, they provide an opportunity to put a history with an artifact.
Attached are pics of some of the numbered examples I've accumulated.

It's interesting that two of the examples are only 1 digit apart and that they are both Klaas manufacture and are Roman Numeral l marked.

There is no credit given to who owns the daggers. If posting the pictures offends any one, I apologize.

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#53100 01/29/2008 02:51 PM
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TEX Smile ..... What a neat assemblage of Numbered SS Daggers!

The different locations & the total disregard for the I, II, III markings is always interesting.

Having the 'ID Numbers' gives us the unique opportunity to have a chance to look into the past, with the various SS Researchers who do such a great job. Txs, Dave/dblmed


[Always looking for TeNo � Schuma � Technische Noodhulp Items...]
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#53103 01/29/2008 04:23 PM
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I have 54555 on an Eickhorn ground Rohm stamped on underside of lower crossguard will get a photo to you in due course

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38875 is mine. It's a named,numbered ground Rohm Boker that Ross Kellbaugh researched for me. He was able to put together a wonderful set of documents including three pictures,one with him in his SS uniform. I owned it several years before the owner was identified and still have it.

Jim

#53105 01/29/2008 05:24 PM
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Hi All:

Daggers 230 807 and 114 983 shown here can be identified. I still excited when I get a hit even though I am approaching almost 100 of them.

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
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#53106 01/29/2008 06:41 PM
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What an excellent thread.

I have the following, but I guess the owners probably know the recipients already.

3,863
6,185
25,824
114,983

If they haven't, then get in touch I will supply you with the names

Best wishes

Raymond

#53107 01/29/2008 07:11 PM
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"What an excellent thread.I have the following, but I guess the owners probably know the recipients already.

3,863
6,185
25,824
114,983

If they haven't, then get in touch I will supply you with the names

Best wishes
Raymond"



Raymond-

I assume you are offering that information for free, as well. Kudos to you, my friend Wink


Rob

#53108 01/29/2008 07:16 PM
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Ross found the owner on this Rohm Boker. Smile

-serge-


#53109 01/29/2008 07:38 PM
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Here's my serialized Herder, #109,892




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Here is one of mine

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Hi,9th Nov.
Nice assemblage.
Could you tell me number /maker of SS Zivil pin please??
Cheers
Seiler (Yank in UK) Wink

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Wow! 9th Nov, that is a super grouping you have there. Are we to assume that all those items belonged to the same SS officer? Eek

Here is a Boker that Mr. McDivitt did a file for me.
When you can place a name to a dagger it really is great. Great Thread!

-serge-




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Nice one there Serge.
Paperwork shows AGAIN,the SS Zivilpin Number
is NOT the the Owners SS Number as so many
"bang on" about.
Cheers.(Seiler Yank in UK) Wink

#53114 01/29/2008 08:53 PM
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I have "Boker" No.5118.
Nice big fat file with pics of Standartenfuhrer
owner from J.P.Moore
Cheers
Seiler (Yank in UK) Wink

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Raymond-

I assume you are offering that information for free, as well. Kudos to you, my friend Wink


Rob[/QUOTE]

Sorry, yes of course. If I am able the access the information then it is pleasure to re-tie the threads of history.

Raymond

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The service provided is not free. When I inquired,

I was told ....."My regular fee would be $400 each (Primary Owner Documentation research package is$225 and Advanced Research Package is $175)." ...

Dave

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quote:
Originally posted by Seiler:
Nice one there Serge.
Paperwork shows AGAIN,the SS Zivilpin Number
is NOT the the Owners SS Number as so many
"bang on" about.
Cheers.(Seiler Yank in UK) Wink


I thought this myth had already been destroyed. There are the odd example of the SS-Zivilabzeichen matching the SS number, though these are the exception rather than the rule.

Raymond

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Hi All:

This is the first numbered SS dagger I purchased and use as my avatar. It's a bit unusual with the number on the front. I have come within one digit of identifying the SS Mann 81 852. The reverse of this is illustrated in TW's Exploring the Dress Daggers and Swords of the German SS on p. 189 since it also has the SS number and standarte number (16) stamped on the back of the scabbard.

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
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There are still people out there who think
the SSZA No,s are Membership numbers ,and NO the myth has not been consigned to the bin.
Seiler (Yank in UK) Wink

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Hi

Well I debunk the SS-ZA myth whenever I am asked (which is quite a lot).

Getting back to the SS numbers, I have the following names from the ones that were posted.

3,863 - Keppels, Hubert
6,185 - Dachwald, Johann
25,824 - Brauer, Erich
114,983 - Martin, Josef

Raymond

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Thanks Seiler.
I wasn't aware that there was a "controversy" regarding Zivilpin number "match". Confused
Maybe because the samples I had/have never matched. Wink
Thanks for bringing this issue up. Maybe Ross, Bernie or some of our other "SS number" colleagues can comment on this issue here.
Trying to learn more.

-serge-

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Hi Serge

There is not really a great deal of controversy with SS civilian pin numbers.

It is a question that I am asked as collectors see a number and make an assumption that it was the recipients SS number. There was also an article some years ago in The Military Advisor that supported this.

It is a fact that the number on the back of the pin is the issue number and not the SS number. Out of the many thousands of numbers I have seen, I can only think of a handful where the issue number has matched the recipients SS number

Hope this helps

Raymond

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Thanks Raymond. Smile -serge-

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Hi All:

I have to concur with Raymond. Attached is a typical SS service filecard on which the SS and ZA numbers are always listed. I have seen lots of these, and amongst them these numbers have been different. I have also come across documents with the Mann's SS number & ZA numbers listed separately and none of them matched. I can't help but wonder about where the master file for this information is.

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
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#53125 01/31/2008 01:10 PM
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Hi Again:

Since this started out as a serial numbered SS dagger topic, here is the numbered SS dagger from my collection for the SS Mann with SS No. 7101 whose personnel card I posted.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
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