#48303
04/12/2009 02:17 PM
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I am starting this thread to help collectors identify the multitude of fakes and reproductions being sold by three primary Ebay dealers.
I receive numerous emails at home inquiring about these Hungarian daggers on Ebay so I will have this thread and anyone can post photos of the reproductions and discuss them.
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#48304
04/12/2009 02:38 PM
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1st dagger is the new popular Hungarian Paratroopers dagger which probably never existed.
There are now untold numbers of these things and people are paying a $1,000 for them.
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#48305
04/12/2009 02:39 PM
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#48306
04/12/2009 02:39 PM
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We also have the reproduced DSG dagger, copied formm our world daggers web site.
These are absolutely new.
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#48307
04/12/2009 02:40 PM
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We have the naval daggers all trying to play off of the old Austro Hungarian naval dagger.
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#48308
04/12/2009 02:42 PM
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additional photo showing blade
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#48309
04/12/2009 02:43 PM
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Here is the most recent repo, or fantasy. It somewhat resembles a dagger we discussed here issued in 46/47 before the communists took over.
This one is a fake and new also.
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#48310
04/12/2009 02:44 PM
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I see the old reproduction Fire Marshalls dagger is making a rebound. This one is probably a reproduction. This is another dagger where we are not sure if originals really existed.
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#48311
04/12/2009 02:45 PM
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04/12/2009 02:45 PM
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The one that bothers me the most is the 1854 Austrian reproductions. There are only a handful of originals and these crooks have destroyed the market.
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04/12/2009 02:47 PM
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#48314
04/12/2009 02:57 PM
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#48315
04/12/2009 04:13 PM
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Hi Nats.
I think this one is the buyer who contacted me this time. The seller (not necessarily this one) had offered him additional items. Hopefully he will be able to stop the sale.
In any case, I am tired of seeing the increasing number of these on Ebay.
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#48316
04/12/2009 06:10 PM
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Jim:
Here is a Hungarian piece that is, in my opinion, a fantasy piece as well. For me, the 'tell' is the gilting on the coat of arms on the blade.
Pic 1
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#48317
04/12/2009 06:10 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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04/12/2009 06:10 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#48319
04/12/2009 06:10 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#48320
04/12/2009 06:11 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#48321
04/12/2009 06:11 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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04/12/2009 06:11 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#48323
04/12/2009 06:12 PM
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Last Pic.
I picked this up from a well-known (in Hungary) dealer about 4 years ago.
John
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#48324
04/12/2009 06:14 PM
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I am starting another thread on an Austro-Hungarian River Naval Dagger that I picked up from a well-known North American dealer several years ago.
John
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#48325
06/16/2009 07:59 PM
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Hi Guys - I was under impression that all "golden" state logos on the blade is a indication of fake hungarian daggers. However I was recently in Budapest in Military museum and as you can imagine was eager to see some daggers on the display ...and there were none. I was getting depressed with this fact when in last room - next the cloak room - they had them hanging on uniforms and one taken of scappbard. And you can picture my supprize when I spoted golden state emblem on the blade. Now I am really confused. Is it possible to find those on originals or are they puting fakes to museums now..  ?
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#48326
06/16/2009 08:01 PM
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As there are no known originals with the gold shield, or a shield for that matter, they apparently took a donation of a reproduction.
Surely you are not surprised by this.
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#48327
06/16/2009 09:57 PM
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Hi Mike, Jim is right: no original daggers with gilted blade. I will check those gilted daggers in the museum next week. There was a great display in the museum full with dress daggers formerly, but it has been removed approx 3 years ago.  Greetings from Hungary, Janos
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#48328
04/19/2010 01:43 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Jim W:
1st dagger is the new popular Hungarian Paratroopers dagger which probably never existed.
There are now untold numbers of these things and people are paying a $1,000 for them.
Posted 19 April 2010 09:40 Hide Post This is apsolutely copy (REPLICA)
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#48329
04/19/2010 01:44 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Jim W:
I see the old reproduction Fire Marshalls dagger is making a rebound. This one is probably a reproduction. This is another dagger where we are not sure if originals really existed.
Posted 19 April 2010 09:40 Hide Post This is apsolutely copy (REPLICA). Shape of the blade looks quirte different on the original piece.
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