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hi all,,just acquired this last weekend,,Bezirk 28,,any one collect these and what value should i assign it?,,thanks,Robert

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I've had a few over the years, but cloth rarely sticks to my collection display.
It is a nice looking design.
I would say $30 low $50 high for this.

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thanks Skynyrd

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Want to ad my RAD female sleeve insignia to this . What was this one for ??

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It is of silver bullion thread ; which would indicate leadership to me .

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LS4 stand for RAD Lager school 4.

I know these, as most anything else, are heavily faked, and alot of guys are completely jaded on them.
I am not qualified to offer an opinion on the examples posted here.


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I believe both are copies due to the material from the front

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Here is mine for comparison. I have always presumed this piece to be authentic. The quality of the embroidery is very good. Passes burn and blacklight tests.

The other L.S 4 example posted appears to be much the same to me. Any additional insight?

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Front.

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Back.

Silver thread. The jpeg doesn't impart that information very well...

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Stitching of markings.

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reverse of my Bezirk 28 patch,,

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reverse of my fake 28

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reverse of my fake LS-4

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Thanks for posting these Paulbear. If that's definitely a fake, then I doubt the authenticity of my own example, as it appears very similar, at least in these jpegs. Mine is definitely not made from synthetic thread though..

Does anyone have a verified original to post by way of comparison? Curious how it might differ from the examples shown here.

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here is one I am satisfied is correct

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can we see the front as it was the giveaway that you cited for the others being reproductions..thanks,,,Robert

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actually the weave seen from the reverse is the giveaway

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Thanks for the additional postings.

Is the consensus that these are all fake except the last one that Paulbear showed? If my example is a reproduction I confess I'm stumped on these..

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...."I believe both are copies due to the material from the front..." paulbear....me too!,,,my example came from a collection that was inherited by a son that had no interest in his father's items...so what it is exactly that is the giveaway on these,??? Confused

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here is the front of the patch note the obvious weave pattern

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is the weave pattern the same for the non-metallic threads as well?.. Confused

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The silver threads in my example definitely don't match the weave pattern demonstrated by the piece from weitze's site. Does this absolutely identify mine as a copy? Just curious if other producers might have woven the motif differently, or if perhaps it was produced earlier/later.

Thanks for the continued postings on these. Very little information out there, and if the weave pattern shown above is absolute, than I don't think I've ever seen an original in hand.

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quote:
Originally posted by militarymania:
is the weave pattern the same for the non-metallic threads as well?.. Confused


THE WEAVE PATTERN should be similar same template different threads


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