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#46340 11/01/2009 10:01 AM
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I've had these blades for ages, don't know why I bought them, kinda hoped that I would find a dagger to fit them one day.

While they seem fine to me, other than a over polished, does anyone see any red flags with these, especially the SS Rohm which is in poor condition, the buffing didn't remove the corrosion which is quite deep in places. The etchings on both are crisp, so I don't think they were machine buffed. The Eickhorn etchings are a bit rounded, but I think the blade may have been quite badly corroded.

Any opinions would be appreciated as if they're repro they need to be dumped.

The size of the Eickhorn is 221 x 33.8mm. The 121/34 is 220 x 33mm.

Any thoughts please...

Thanks, Red

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#46341 11/01/2009 10:02 AM
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121/34 Motto

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#46342 11/01/2009 10:03 AM
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121/34 Blade

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121/34 Etch

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#46344 11/01/2009 10:05 AM
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121/34 Tang

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#46345 11/01/2009 10:07 AM
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Eickhorn blade

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#46346 11/01/2009 10:08 AM
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Rohm etch

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#46347 11/01/2009 10:10 AM
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Rohm etch front

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#46348 11/01/2009 10:10 AM
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Ernst Rohm etch

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#46349 11/01/2009 10:11 AM
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Maker mark

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#46350 11/01/2009 10:13 AM
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Eickhorn motto

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#46351 11/01/2009 10:14 AM
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#46352 11/01/2009 10:15 AM
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Eickhorn tang marked A1

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#46353 11/01/2009 10:15 AM
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Red,

The 121/34 looks good to me though i would like to see closer shot of the motto showing the depth of the etching. That blade should fit a standard plated fitting pretty good, the tough part is finding a grip.
Other well informed SS guy's should chime in as my experience is moderate at best with SS unless it's Klaas which i have studied and owned. I cannot comment on the Rohm never owned one.

Eric

#46354 11/01/2009 10:40 AM
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Thanks Eric. The etch seems the same depth as other SA/SS mottos, these are the best pics I can do... The Eickhorn etch seems a bit deeper than the 121/34...

Red

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#46355 11/01/2009 10:41 AM
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#46356 11/02/2009 09:05 AM
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Red,

The etching looks good on the 121 to me..

Still would like others to give their opnion first to be 100% sure.

Eric

#46357 11/02/2009 12:36 PM
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Get a digital microscope on it to look at the edges to be on the safe side.

#46358 11/03/2009 03:18 PM
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Thanks for the feedback guys. The edges look properly etched, they are rough matching other mottos I've compared under a loupe.

I'm pretty sure the 121/34 is OK. The Eick Rohm is the one I'm really unsure about since it originally came off eBan. If it's a copy it's pretty good, including the tang markings. Any other opinions, good or bad... there will be no hurt feelings here...

Red

#46359 11/03/2009 03:37 PM
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I do not like the look of any of the blades,the Rohm and 121/34 do not seem to have any depth.Also being made in 1934 (121/34) you need nickel fittings.I will always be leary of 120/34 121/34 188/35 period. Also just the direction they face determines originality to many collectors all else being the same. do not think RZM blades would be made that early.(Looks like I have to think for myself,I hate it when that happens


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#46360 11/03/2009 05:00 PM
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Red..If you're going to dump them then dump them on me as I collect haphazardly and don't mind repros!!


If you want to criticise someone first walk a mile in their shoes. Then, when they come after you, you'll be a mile ahead and they'll be barefoot.
#46361 11/03/2009 07:41 PM
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I think 120/34 and 121/34 are widely accepted as period daggers by most collectors, Wittmann accepts them but as makers unknown. I know a few collectors here have very fine examples of these...

Mine, I dunno, the etches are fairly deep, especially on the Eickhorn, but I'm still undecided... I don't have a SS by either maker, I sold my Eickhorn a while back so I have no source of comparison.

Red

#46362 11/03/2009 09:20 PM
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PM sent.

#46363 11/04/2009 12:03 PM
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Hi Gary,

first i would see,a better close-up of the Motto or one word of the 121/34.
Tangmark looks ok.

I have my doubt's on both blades,regarding the Motto etching.
The lines of the motto-letters you shown looks to "straight".

I have attach.a few close-up's from some of my daggers.
I guess you'll see what i mean.
But is just my opinion,

Gerd

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When i see ,or there is an offer to me by a sole blade in good-very good condition,then at first i ask me :from where does this blade arrive ?Blades in such a good condition with much blackening in the etchings as yours without the rest dagger parts are very seldom seen .We often can see bad grips without the blade,because these are rusted and ruined!

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Thanks for the opinions, much appreciated. Gerd, here's a pic of the maker mark under different light. The etches aren't quite as dark as they appear in the outdoor pics I took. The edges are not as rough as the etch you show, but compared to most of my SA's and SS's, some are more precise than others, maker variations I guess.

Red

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#46367 11/04/2009 09:23 PM
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The closest Eickhorn motto shot I can get with this dinky camera. I have a fancy SLR digital, but don't have a macro lens for it yet...

Damn, the detail, tang foundry marks, the accuracy make it difficult to see these as repro, if they are, they are excellent copies. Thanks to all for your comments and pointers.

Red

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#46368 11/04/2009 09:32 PM
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An example of a very nice 121/34 maker mark for comparison, I'm sorry, don't know who to credit it to...

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#46369 11/05/2009 02:02 AM
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Red,

after i've seen your close-up's,from the 121,
I agree with Eric.
It's a real-one.


On Röhmblades i've no experience with inscription.

Regards,
Gerd

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That 121/34 was mine. I have since sold it to another GDC member.


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