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#46223 12/18/2009 12:24 PM
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Hi Everyone, Nothing seems to be safe these days,nats

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ion-camp-stolen.html

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Everybody knows the Daily Mail writes and
prints garbage.Believe them,you,ll believe
anything.
Seiler Roll Eyes

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??? Roll Eyes

It's a legitimate story reported by most media outlets including the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8420053.stm

It's disgusting to think someone could stoop so low and insult the memories of those who died there

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Hmm, I wonder what ebays policy would be if they tried to auction it ?


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This was ordered to be stolen by some kind of "collector". If someone will try to sell it here in Poland first will be beated and then reported to the police... All collecting community should keep eyes wide open !!!!

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Beat em first, then report.
I like that method !

Its hard to see someone planning on making a profit from this, as it will be impossible to sell in the open market.
I think you are right, a planned job from someone probably planning on keeping it in a barn or something.


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Everybody knows the Daily Mail writes and
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Seiler Roll Eyes


Seiler,
Unfortunately it's the true story.
Here's the view of the Auschwitz gate without the sign, right after the sad "discovery".
For now the Museum administration has put the copy of the sign as replacement.

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No word yet on when NATO troops are going to deploy to Poland to scour the country for the sign.


Israel outraged over Auschwitz theft

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...gutbYcQnXHTU4g

JERUSALEM — The head of Jerusalem's Holocaust memorial condemned on Friday as a "declaration of war" the theft of the "Arbeit macht frei" sign from the Auschwitz Nazi death camp in Poland.

"This act constitutes a true declaration of war. We don't know the identity of the perpetrators but I assume they are neo-Nazis," Avner Shalev said in a statement.

"These people want to bring Europe back 70 years to the dark years of death and destruction," he added.

"I am certain the Polish government will do everything possible to track down those criminals and put them on trial," he said, urging "the enlightened world to work together against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms."

http://www.google.com/hostedne...fpRSITgutbYcQnXHTU4g

Poland declares state of emergency after 'Arbeit Macht Frei' stolen from Auschwitz

Police believe gang behind theft of Nazi slogan

Act of vandalism 'knows no equal' – Polish minister

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...acht-frei-sign

Friday 18 December 2009

A state of emergency was announced in Poland today involving tightened border controls and random police checks as a nationwide hunt was launched for the infamous bronze sign to the former German Nazi death camp Auschwitz after it was stolen.

Shimon Peres, president of Israel, discussed the theft with Poland's prime minister, Donald Tusk, in Copenhagen today. "The state of Israel and the Jewish people in their entirety ask that you take the necessary steps to catch the criminals and return the sign to its place," he told Tusk. "The sign is of profound historical significance both for the Jewish people and the entire world."


Poland tightens border in hunt for Auschwitz sign

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8nWGAD9CMBBCO0

OSWIECIM, Poland — Polish police and border guards stepped up security checks at airports and border crossings Saturday as the search intensified for the infamous sign stolen from the Auschwitz death camp memorial.

The brazen overnight theft of one of the Holocaust's most chilling and notorious symbols early Friday sparked outrage from around the world, and Polish leaders declared recovering the 5-meter (16-foot) sign a top priority. The sign read "Arbeit Macht Frei" — work makes you free — a grim Nazi slogan etched in the minds of millions.

Interior Minister Jerzy Miller ordered police to question all possible witnesses and suspects in a nationwide effort to find the sign.

The director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial museum, who was visibly shaken by the dramatic theft, told The Associated Press he believes it was carried out by professionals and that none of the memorial museum's staff are considered suspects.

"I think it was done by specialists," Piotr Cywinski said. "It was a very well-prepared action."


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Auschwitz is such a weird place.. People live very close to it,,I'm talking within a few 100 yards!
There is very little security. And, I can imagine at night there is probably just one drunk ass watchman..
They reproduce the sign exactly and have been doing it for years. A collector buying it is a fool because after a little aging no one would be able to tell the difference between the reproduction and the original anyway..

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You are right Gaspare.
The design is simple iron working that could easily be reproduced in a jr high school metal shop.

But whoever has this thing knows its genuine, perhaps that is enough motivation for them, to know they have possession of the most notorious sign in the world.


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There's 115.000 PLN (approx. $40.000) reward for the sign.
Collectors! Keep the eyes and ears wide open.

PS. Personally I think that on the black market of Holocaust memorabilia it would be worth much more.

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It wasn't a couple of drunk Polish chaps. Figure 5 maybe 6 man team, van waiting near by...the team was probably aware of the security patrol schedule, and probably aware the newer fiber optic system was not functional yet. I doubt unfortunately it'll be seen anytime soon...probably in a wealthy Russian collection as we speak.

If they don't have any solid leeds at this point, the crime is now cold. Searching airports, boarders, etc., is certainly an indicator they have nothing to go on. Too much time has elapsed and every day that slips by, the tougher recovery will become. I suspect the only way they'll see the sign returned is to make it financially worthwhile and add a "no-questions-asked" clause. They need to apply the balance test: is it more advantagoud to recover the sign or prosecute the perpetrators.


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Don't get annoyed with me, but why is everyone so upset about this? I guess I'm just cold hearted but I personally don't care.

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Don't get annoyed with me, but why is everyone so upset about this? I guess I'm just cold hearted but I personally don't care.


For me anyway, it's a desecration. Aside from that, it's an act which destroys history, rather than preserving it.


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I personally am not all that upset, I can see how a Jew would be, relying on symbolism & fanfare as much as they do.
I think they are making too much of it, not always a wise idea to let people know what gets to you in a graphic way such as this.


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Sign found

Police said early Monday that they have found the infamous "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign that was stolen on Friday from the gate of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.

Police spokeswoman Katarzyna Padlo said that the sign was found in northern Poland. She said police also detained five men aged between 25 and 39 who are being transported them to Krakow for questioning.

Padlo said the steel sign, which symbolizes to the world the atrocities and cruelty of Nazi Germany, has been cut into three pieces.

The sign that topped a main gate at the Auschwitz memorial site was stolen before dawn on Friday. State authorities made finding it a priority and appealed to all Poles for assistance.

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Originally posted by Skynyrd:
I personally am not all that upset, I can see how a Jew would be, relying on symbolism & fanfare as much as they do.
I think they are making too much of it, not always a wise idea to let people know what gets to you in a graphic way such as this.


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The Germans during the NS era made a pretty big hoity-toity about fanfare and symbolism last I checked.

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Well the sign has been found. Everyone can now breath a sigh of relief and get a good nights sleep.

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Originally posted by Skynyrd:
I personally am not all that upset, I can see how a Jew would be, relying on symbolism & fanfare as much as they do.
I think they are making too much of it, not always a wise idea to let people know what gets to you in a graphic way such as this.


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The Germans during the NS era made a pretty big hoity-toity about fanfare and symbolism last I checked.

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True, used for very different purposes, yet inter related.
We needn't explore that area here, they got their sign back and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Israel now demanded of Germany to pay for eternal, round the clock sign security from now on.

Actually, if its such a world stopping icon to them, they should hang the replica and put the original in a controlled environment, else nature is going to have its way with it eventually.


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Everyone should care. Many of our worlds races,religions,nationalities, were murdered there. It's one big cemetery, a memorial site,,,to remind those who wish we'd forget we're not going to..
We wouldn't tolerate anyone thieving from one of our cemeteries, or our museums...
I very glad they got it back.........

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I'm glad they got it back too, I just don't see it as the centerpiece of the planet as some others seem to.
The thieves should be punished in accordance with the law, no more no less.


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I agree with Skynyrd,,,they should install the replica in place of the original,store the original away to keep it from deteriorating further by the elements,and if the replica goes "missing" and shows up in a persons collection,,he can have the satisfaction of having the "ultimate Replica" in his collection,,,, Eek Big Grin Wink

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I suspect it will be moot. I highly doubt the original piece once restored will be placed again atop the gate. They already have a replica which was used in the past during various deferred maint. and capital improvement projects.

I firmly am a believer in preservation. To a certain degree, we use our historical artifacts to speak to our culture, our past, and naturally, our future. As collectors of any atiquity, preservation and it's fundamentals are cornerstone to successful interpretation and ensuring those artifacts are available for future generations to learn from. Most cultures value the preservation of their past and those tangible items which interpret that past...whether it's an item associated with sadness, or a fetish used in religous rites.

My 2 pesos.

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Before they found it, I was going to ask who had it hanging in their new "Bunker"!
It sure would make a unique display with German Daggers hanging from it!

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Chief, funny comment, you made me laugh. I thought of saying the same thing that you did but did not have the nerve.

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"Swedish collector" being sought as suspect


Polish police probe foreign link in Auschwitz theft

By Wojciech Zurawski Wojciech Zurawski – Tue Dec 22, 6:59 am ET

KRAKOW, Poland (Reuters) – Polish police are investigating a possible international link in the theft of the metal sign that hung over the former Nazi death camp Auschwitz, they said on Tuesday.

Police recovered the German language sign, which reads "Arbeit macht frei" ("Work makes you free"), and detained five men early on Monday over the theft, which triggered widespread outrage, especially from Israel and Jewish groups.

"We have been cooperating with... all international agencies and institutions around the world... It is possible that a person could be detained (on a European warrant)," police spokesman Dariusz Nowak told a news conference.

He gave no further details and declined to comment on Polish media reports that a Swedish collector might have been involved in the crime.

"The question of the mysterious Swede has appeared ... I cannot confirm or deny this ... Of course they (the five suspects) didn't steal it to have it in their collection. So it looks more and more that somebody else is behind this."

At the news conference, police displayed the metal sign, which had been broken into three pieces and was somewhat twisted out of shape. When they stole the sign last Friday, the thieves had left behind the final "i" of the word "frei," Nowak said.

CRIMINALS

Police have described the five suspects as common criminals with no known links to neo-Nazi groups.

"They stole the sign in order to make money," Nowak said.

The theft had stirred fears of a possible political motive as the sign is a powerful symbol of the Holocaust committed by the Nazis against the Jews.

The men face up to 10 years in jail for stealing and cutting up the sign, which was forged by Polish prisoners at Auschwitz in 1940-41 and is on the UNESCO world heritage list.

Several people will share the reward money, worth nearly $40,000, offered by the Auschwitz museum for the recovery of the sign, Nowak added.

Some 1.5 million people, mostly Jews, perished at the death camp of Auschwitz -- known as Oswiecim in Polish -- during Nazi Germany's occupation of Poland in World War Two. Arriving prisoners entered via a small iron gate topped by the sign.

The motto became a symbol of the Nazis' efforts to give their victims a false sense of security before murdering them.

Auschwitz prisoners died of diseases, sub-zero temperatures, starvation and in medical experiments as well as being gassed.

More than 200 hectares (500 acres) of the former death camp became a museum after the war ended.

Hundreds of thousands visit the museum every year, but ticket sales are not enough to maintain the open-air site with its 155 buildings -- including the gas chambers -- 300 ruined facilities and hundreds of thousands of personal items.

Poland has appealed for international donations and Britain and Germany, among others, have offered money.

Museum authorities have said they hope to have the sign restored and put back in place in time for celebrations planned in January to mark the 65th anniversary of the link


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Harsh punishment. Up to 10 years. Some murderers in this country don't get that much time in jail. Recently a women (in western Pennsylvania) was sentenced to only three years for killing three people in a car accident. She was high on cocain when she did this. I find the 'sign incident' rather amusing.

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I feared that a collector somewhere had likely ordered the theft. What a shame.

As it relates to sentencing of the crooks..I suspect the government will be making an example to serve as a future deterrant. From what I understand, Poland still has somewhat of a reputatin for having pockets of stronger than average anti-semitism. Taking these various factors and circumstances together in concert, I would expect the reaction of the enforcement agencies and criminal/admin courts to render a strict punitive sentennce.

Glad it's back. Hopefully they camp will continue to preserve the legacy and keep it available for visitors to appreciate.

***I'm not accusing Poland of being an anti-semetic nation..merely parroting what i've read in varous contemporary publications. Perhaps one of our Polish friends can elaborate or dispell this as patently false.

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***I'm not accusing Poland of being an anti-semetic nation..merely parroting what i've read in varous contemporary publications. Perhaps one of our Polish friends can elaborate or dispell this as patently false.

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Tom,
I'll just give you few examples of "Polish antisemitism":
- If you check the Yad Vashem (Authority for the Remembrance of the Martyrs and Heroes of the Holocaust) "Righteous Among the Nations" (non-Jews who saved the lives of Jews) list, you will see that most of them were Poles.
- ONLY in occupied Poland the punishment for helping Jews was death. Entire villages and families were executed for this "crime". Why? Because Germans knew that Poles were "notorious criminals" not easily willing to give up their Jewish friends and neighbors.
- ... just "google" for Irena Sendler.

The sad thing is that personally I hear and read SO much bull**** about "Polish antisemitism" I starting believe in it.

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Harsh punishment. Up to 10 years. Some murderers in this country don't get that much time in jail. Recently a women (in western Pennsylvania) was sentenced to only three years for killing three people in a car accident. She was high on cocain when she did this. I find the 'sign incident' rather amusing.


That's because this country is full of Liberal P.O.S. and harsher punishments leads to less crimes, but the tree huggers want them to sit in the corner and have time out. Time out doesn't work, but a good slap on the butt does, ohh wait you'll go to jail for that as well. Im glad the sign has been found and its pretty sad to read what some have posted above??? I am of German Nazi decent and I am proud of what my Grandfather did for his country, but I am also ashamed at what the Nazis did to people that stood in their way. Tons of people passed through this gate only once never to be seen again, and that is very disturbing that some people joke about hanging daggers from it in their collection. Ten years isn't enough for the crime that they committed to World History. My 2 cents and I kept it clean this time. Mark

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While this theft was a insult to history and horrible. I am still so surprised at the BS history the papers feed people. That sign isn't even in the part of the camp that was designated for exterminations. Auschwitz II- Birkenau was the area where people were put to death. So no one million people past to there deaths going under that sign, they got off the trains and went to a completely different area if they were subject to immediate death.

Also Auschwitz wasn't even part of the Aktion Reinhart(AR), meaning its primary purpose was not putting people to death. The News has continued to call it a death camp even though it was not. It was a concentration camp were people were used for work or experiments which most often did lead to staggering death rates but they had a chance. The people that couldn't be used were usually killed in Auschwitz II- Birkenau. If you went to one of the real "death camps" a camp that was part of the AR(Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka or Majdanek) you were almost 100% assured death. Auschwitz operated for 5 years, far longer than any of the AR camps and is responsible for 1/6 of the deaths while the AR operated around 2 years and is responsible for 2/6 or more of the Jewish victims. I think the AR camps had a far more diabolical intent than Auschwitz yet you never hear about them? Maybe the death camp verse concentration camp thing is all semantics nowadays but it shouldn't be because they had a much different intent.

I also think from research that Ukrainians were far more anti-Semitic during the war than the Poles. They weren't under treat of death yet many willingly went to occupid Poland to work at the Death camps and were nastier than the Germans most the time! Into That Darkness is one of the best books on this subject the Author interviews many victims as well as the perpetrators it will give you a far better understanding than most any other book on the subject in my opinion. Still the theft is a travesty to history!

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Well sure, there are many, many inconsistencies with Auschwitz.
Most tourists are probably not aware that the gas chambers there are post war Soviet constructions, and they also probably aren't aware that they claimed 4,000,000 killed at Auschwitz for decades, and since have revised it to 1,000,000 or so - Among others, which is probably best not to go into details.

Suffice it to say that much of the immediate post war Soviet propaganda has transformed into undisputed fact.
It was no doubt a grim hell on earth in the best of circumstances, and it didn't take much effort to make it even worse.

It probably became the holy grail of the holocaust due to its sheer size, and the number of people who passed through its gates.


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As a Pole I have to protest against Swordfish words. Sorry to many Poles died in the name of Poles - Jews brotherhood to read or hear such a crap You are talking about....

Please think twice before You say something like above....

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Gottlieb,
I'm having difficulty completely understanding your entire protest (but I do understand it in substance- perhaps you can clarify and I can address your concerns)

You might have misunderstood my point. It was phrased as a question to address the validity of accounts which have alleged an increase in anti-semitism in Poland over the past decade as well as in various former Soviet republics. Various contemporary periodicals have asserted a resurgence of anti-semitic related crimes/incidents in Poland recent years. To you, who is a Pole, if you re-read my message, you'll see I am asking the opinion of a Pole (in this case you) to either confirm some of the assertions as portrayed in these mediums (i.e. newspapers, television, internet and so on), or correct any misgivings which may have arisen from incorrectly or misreported events in Poland. I'm not a Pole and can only speak to the limited information available from contempory news sources who publish government statistics on occassion. I would much PREFER hearing from a Pole who can offer better insight and answer my question in the original post in which you have retorted.

I assure you my intent was NOT to discredit the Polish people and their culture. I am sorry if that's what you inferred from the post.


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OK I understand, but belive me it hearts when You hear "Polish concentration camps", "Polish antisemitism" and so on...

If You follow informations about this theft You probably know that someone in Sweden ordered this job....

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I hardly think an incident like this reflects on a whole country, don't think any proposed that it did.
If anything, I think the most unfortunate stance in the whole matter was Israel barking out orders to Poland, one would think they would be capable of a little more tact than "Israel to Poland: This must be found!".

I think the Polish authorities were aware of this, and didn't need to be prodded like that in public view.


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Actually Swordfish(Tom). Its pretty hard to get an objective answer from the subject, especially when it is an inflammatory subject such as this. No body or one nationality wants any extra culpability in one of the greatest genocides to have transpired the last millennium! Frankly I feel its time we move beyond the six million Jews and discuss the five million ofter people who were killed in camps during the war. Or furthermore the other genocides that happened this last century, that had nothing to do with German, Poland, etc! People, mostly the "media" cannot move past this small sector of victims (six million). Why when the war had like 50 million total victims? The Jews were hardly the only people to lose a love one during the war and one death no matter the religion or race is tragic when taken early and innocent.

Like I said early Ukrainians were some of the most anti-Semitic. That shouldn't clear other country's like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia or even Poland. Were yes there we many anti-Semitic people. Heck when the German tanks rolled into some Lithuania village the citizens of the village took it upon them themselves to round up Jews and kill them. There is no complete vindication for the Poles during that period either. Yes they were under threat if they hide a Jew but some turn in their own neighbors for profit because they hide Jews! Almost the whole of Europe was and to a degree still is anti-Semitic. With the decline in Christianity and the unfortunate rise of Islam in Europe the situation will only grow worse. Nobody is innocent of these crime. Us in American cannot claim complete innocents either. We in American allow Stalin and Hitler to exist until it became a threat against us. By Hitlers declaration of war! We let Stalin and Communism ride out their murderous legacy doing nothing. So who exactly is innocent? Probably nobody. Heck Israel persecutes those of Gaza and the West Bank now! Each nation has its own bloody hands. Except "Iceland" Razz

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You know, I've been checking into GDC.com every day and specifically the 'Community Center' just to see the latest goings on with this thread. What a 'can of worms' this has opened up. I wonder how much longer the posts will go on before the Moderator shuts this whole subject down? By the way, Merry Christmas to you all.

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Seems to me Thule that if people refrain from making the type of irreverent comments that you have made, the thread should be fine.

Most everyone recognizes that there are many inconsistencies & various controversies surrounding what has come to be known as "the holocaust", I don't think admin wants to shut down all forms of debate on the matter.

Most TR oriented collectors forums don't tolerate outright denial or glorification of NS ideology, and with good reason ,,, But calm, reasoned debates about specific points that are in legitimate dispute are not taboo.


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