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#46152 02/14/2010 05:30 PM
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NSFK Wassergruppe-Rhhn 1940

Any chance this badge is good? NSFG Wassergruppe-Rhn 1940, 3. Internat Luftrennen 1940.
Thank you in advance for your feedback. JME

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Nobody knows anything? So it must be good? JME

#46159 02/20/2010 01:35 AM
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In the NSKK-NSFK book by John Angolia & David Littlejohn, on page 446, is pictured a very similar badge, only for the 2d International Air Race of the NSFK held in 1939.

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I've been giving this badge some thought since I first saw your post on the "other" forum a week ago. This is a scarce badge, then three pop up. That makes me wonder. If the pin retention disk were stamped with the "Brehmer" marking, I would have no doubt as to authenticity .. I have not seen the plain disk or the patent marking on other known originals. This means nothing. One solid indicator of an original is all the detail in the Icarus, especially the facial area and the over all quality of the enamel and the quality of the construction of the badge it's self.. The style of pin is correct. If you were going to fake a badge why would you fake this one? This is a complex badge to produce and of insignificant value. The Wasserkuppe is a plateau at the summit of the Rhn Mountians in the German State of Hesse. This is the location where the DLV and the NSFK held their gatherings and competitions. They flew model sailplanes and full size sailplanes there all the way up to 1944. No actual documentation about this particular event has come to light, yet (Luftrennen 1940). But this late in the period these gatherings and competitions no longer carried the level of importance they once did in the early, formative years. It very likely could be this event was scheduled and never took place. There are those who say ALL of these enameled NSFK badges are bad. They are wrong .. I know of several that are without question original to the TR period. The fakes these people are referring to are currently produced reproductions and obvious when you have them in hand. I have a good feeling about this badge, I think it's a good one ..

All the best ..

Mike W.

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Copy around for a while, sorry--pretty looking though...

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Sorry, John T ..

I disagree .. When I look at this badge, I see more evidence supporting authenticity then the contrary.

You need to elaborate ..

MW

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I have no idea why I called it Wasserkruppe, which should have been Wasserkuppe, which does make a big difference.
Silesien, I did check the book and yes you are correct a very similar badge is in the book.
MW, you make some valid points and I do have to agree with you on a lot on this. I personally have not seen another one like it so I dont have much to compare it to other than what is in the book. When looking at this badge there is nothing cheap about it everything had a lot of detail, well made, good enamel, and a heavy badge. If one would fake this one you would have to make a lot of them to recover your investment. Were all the other badges? One day we may find out more and come to the conclusion that yes of course it is an original.
Just to add a little story that happened to me. A few years ago I had a one-piece construction Spanish Cross in bronze without swords. I was trying to sell it but not many people were interested and said oh this is a fake. I went to a very well known dealer and said that I like to sell it and once he found out it was a one-piece construction he no longer was interested. Today this same dealer is selling the same thing and now I see it sold on all sorts of websites plus on even more well known dealers. So overnight the fake became an original! Did somebody in the community say it is an original now and you all can now buy it? Or do we now know more about it? The point I am trying to make is that today we dont know everything and most of us say it is wrong since somebody else before us said it is wrong. There are only a few of us that come out and say it is a fake and than substantiate their argument with solid facts. It takes a lot of guts to come out and say something is correct or incorrect and support it with some solid fact. We need more information on this. So you out there if you know something about this badge let us know. In the end it still may be a fake but maybe not. Thank you all for any and all of your feedback. JME


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