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I thought I would share Emil Maurices SS Dagger with you. Maurice was founder of SS (Number two after Hitler). He was also an early party member and helped on Mein Kampf. Had an affair with Hitlers Neice and was a Jew. All of his stuff survived the war and was sold by the family in recent times. I was lucky enough to manage to aquire the dagger.

Bob coleman posted a large grouping of his stuff on WAF http://www.wehrmacht-awards.co...emil+maurice&page=11

Here are a couple of pictures of this exceptional piece. I am afraid I would like to post pictures of the top and the back as well as it is truely something very special but I am worried about it being copied.

Enjoy!

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Many thanks for showing, that is truly a stunning dagger.
Sean

Great dagger does it have his ss number on it?
would it have been a presentation piece
Regards
John

Yes it has his SS number 2 exquisitely done on the reverse. The pommel nut has also been personalised specifically for him.

We believe the same person did the Earnst Kraft piece. Although the work on this is superior in detail and quality. I suspect Frederick will chip in on his views as he has seen this piece in hand. The scabbard on this piece is also done unlike the Kraft and Knoblauch pieces.The reverse has also been done in as good detail as the front.

The Kurt Knoblauch piece in Ralfs SA book is also similar but has different charecteristics. On this piece the scroll on the front is the other way up and the acorns are done differently, but could have been done by the same hand.

IMO Martin you have a very nice find there. I believe this is an example of period German engraving and it would be interesting if the actual engraver could be identified as well as the circumstances under which the dagger was presented.
With all the post war enhanced daggers that were done, primarily in Belgium, that have been posted at various times it's a pleasure to see an example like this one posted.
I'm sure if you decide to come over to one of the major shows many collectors would like to do a hands on examination.
Jim

Thank you for sharing this wonderful piece with us average collectors. Few high-end collectors take the time to post pictures of their collections.

Very impressive dagger. As much as I and many others would love to see the obverse details you are absolutely correct Mongo in abstaining to show the details. There are far too many forgeries out there. Thank you anyway for sharing such a magnificent piece with us. Cheers, Raul.

Jim, im afraid I cant fly long haul as I have a heart problem that gets agravated. But I would gladly show it hands on to anyone that wanted to see it over here in the UK. Or maybe let Frederick take it over there for one of the big shows. It really has nothing to hide and I thought long and hard about keeping it under wraps and just enjoying it myself, or sharing it with collectors.

Im sure pictures do exist of this piece in wear, although they are not im my posession. I believe that some of the engraved SAs were done by the same engraver, even if not quite to the same standard.

Here is a picture of the top and pommel nut, im sure that it would be little use to forgers as it is unique to Maurice and shares a similar top to the Kraft piece. Its the back that is totally different to the others so I will not post that just to be on the safe side

Maurice was a watchmaker before the war, the pommel nut has a watch escapement on it. You can also see that this piece has never been cleaned and the whole dagger has the same beautiful yellow patina all over it.

Martin:
Sorry about you condition and I do remember your telling me about this previously. You have my sympathy as I've been in a "No Fly" condition myself since the 1st of the year.
You dagger represents a really exceptional example of pre-war German engraving at it's finest and is a cut above what is normally seen even on original pieces.
For whatever it's worth from someone who has made a study of engraving for over 30 years. It takes 20+ years of work to become a descent engraver. During that time you will usually develop a unique style of your own which most students of engraving can recognize on sight. Therefore it is very difficult to forge engraving much as it's very difficult to forge someones elses signature.

I'll be chatting with Frederick about this years MAX and perhaps some sort of arrangement can be made.
Jim

That is a beautiful dagger!!
Congratulations, and thanks for showing it!

Best regards,

WOW What a dagger a real peice of history just when its been pretty quiet over here this is why i try and have a look every day you never know whats coming up next.I be very jealous i be, thanks for showing
Congratulations Martin
Regards Adam

Holy smokes!! Emil Maurice dagger. Wow.

I wonder who owns his Luftwaffe dagger?

Really cool piece of history. Well done.

Woweee! A Big-Time historic dagger here!
What a wonderful piece of superior craftsmanship. To have Emil Maurice's personal SS dagger is really something special.
CONGRATULATIONS MONGO !

The whole story of Emil Maurice is truly fancinating. A great read there on the thread by Bob Coleman.
Thank You for being so generous and sharing this amazing dagger.

I would look forward to seeing that beauty in person if possible.

Best of the Quest,
-serge-

Thanks Mongo for showing this absolutely amazing piece of history. For us new collectors it is almost impossible to see pictures of these kind of daggers at this end of the market!

Thanks for sharing this magnificent dagger, Top!

Hi Mongo,

it's for sure a böker,is it?

Gerd

Gerd you are spot on sure is!

Mongo great dagger must be ajoy to own , dont suppose you fancy taking it to the international in Birmingham this sunday Regards Rob

Afraid not

Im going to the war and peace show so if anyone wants to have a look in hand feel free to PM me.

Thank you for sharing this very special dagger with us. When Himmler wanted Maurice expelled from the SS due to him being a Jew, Hitler said, "I will decide who is a Jew!"

mongobongo,

Thank you very much for posting these pictures.
It truly is a very aesthetic & historical dagger.

Cheers,
Ibrahim.

What an amazing piece!!
Simply fantastic!!

I think we all have heart conditions after seeing these pictures!!!

THANK YOU for sharing!!!

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Originally posted by Erich:
Thank you for sharing this very special dagger with us. When Himmler wanted Maurice expelled from the SS due to him being a Jew, Hitler said, "I will decide who is a Jew!"

I actually believe that statement has been attributed to Goring with regards to Erhard Milch Jewish blood. He was a "mischling" of at least 50% Jewish blood, possibly up to 75%..nobody knows exactly as alot of the records are non-existent...and naturally, Milch didn't want to recognize his Jewish lineage as it wouldn't have been very good for career advancement in the air force.

Maurice too was a Mischling, but I belive his blood content was alot lower. If i'm not mistaken, Emil was a Roman Catholic, with French famiy roots. I believe Emil's blood was about 12.5% Jewish. I'm not sure if he was even aware of any Jews in his family lineage. He's a fascinating character from the early days of NS party, spending much time in Bavaria.

"Note to self- do not have an affair with the fuhrer's neice especially when the boss has feelings for her as well"

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"I will decide who is a Jew!"

Swordfish is correct. This statement was made by Goring inre. to Milch who was one of his favorite Generals.
Jim

Amazing piece of history. Thanks for sharing.

Well done mate, a fantastic dagger and you are very fortunate to be the caretaker of such an historical piece.

Congratulation.

Wow what can be said! awesome !!
I'll be at War & Peace on the Thursday if you there that day I would LOVE to see that in the flesh :]

Stunning!!

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Originally posted by jim m:

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"I will decide who is a Jew!"

Swordfish is correct. This statement was made by Goring inre. to Milch who was one of his favorite Generals.
Jim

Thanks Gentleman, I stand corrected.

I feel that I should add my comment here, as I have had the opportunity to examine the Emil Maurice dagger first hand, and it is a superb piece.

The first thing to state here is that unlike many other of those other "unique daggers" - there is no "overkill" with this item. No gaudy, over-embellished damascus blade with garish trademark; no falsely modified scabbard with added modern "Morocco leathering" just to make it "textbook".

This item is straight out of history, and it is perfectly straight-forward. You could not ask for a cleaner piece. It's provenance is it's innocence - this item has not been touched or tampered with since the day Emile Maurice wore it at his wedding. I have examined this piece from every angle, and my conclusion is that it is 100% correct. It is the real thing - and it is a piece of history.

FJS

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Originally posted by Erich:

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Originally posted by jim m:

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"I will decide who is a Jew!"

Swordfish is correct. This statement was made by Goring inre. to Milch who was one of his favorite Generals.
Jim

Thanks Gentleman, I stand corrected.

Erich my friend, not that it really matters seeing only people like us would really even care ...kinda like Emil's dagger...only people like us would drool over a piece like this while any other segment of the population would sooner use it to pick out the poops out of the kitty litter box

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Originally posted by Swordfish:

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Originally posted by Erich:

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Originally posted by jim m:

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"I will decide who is a Jew!"

Swordfish is correct. This statement was made by Goring inre. to Milch who was one of his favorite Generals.
Jim

Thanks Gentleman, I stand corrected.

Erich my friend, not that it really matters seeing only people like us would really even care ...kinda like Emil's dagger...only people like us would drool over a piece like this while any other segment of the population would sooner use it to pick out the poops out of the kitty litter box

That's for damn sure! I told my wife about how gorgeous this piece was and she could not fathom it at all!
Fact is, Meg Wittman here in CA is said to have spent $80 million on her gubernatorial primary campaign. I KNOW what I could spend that kind of money on and it would NOT be for some hokey political office! Yeah, I would need a few vaults for my goodies!

So what is the recent history on this piece ?

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Originally posted by Swordfish:

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Originally posted by Erich:

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Originally posted by jim m:

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"I will decide who is a Jew!"

Swordfish is correct. This statement was made by Goring inre. to Milch who was one of his favorite Generals.
Jim

Thanks Gentleman, I stand corrected.

Erich my friend, not that it really matters seeing only people like us would really even care ...kinda like Emil's dagger...only people like us would drool over a piece like this while any other segment of the population would sooner use it to pick out the poops out of the kitty litter box

You are so right Sword fish!

not a dagger guy but that is NICE! engraving looks to be of the highest quality..

Not knowing daggers I'm assuming these guys had more than one dagger yes?
I've seen a offering from one of the 'Toms' a few years ago for his dagger too,,think is was different...

What a great unique dagger Martin.When i first inspect your dagger about this pics,my first intuition was: this engraving is real,because it is very similar to my engraved Knoblauch dagger and my dagger is 1000% real,because i have found it in the early 1990 years in the ex GDR (DDR).I have seen a lot of other-post war engraved daggers and the engraving was most completely an other simpel style.The engravers once had other tools and other methods as now.When i saw the watch on the pommel nut i was a little confused,but this is pretty crazy enough to say it is the real thing.Fakers mostly put overload swastikas or runics on it!I am pretty sure that yours and the "Kraft" dagger are real pre war as mine,but i am sure that the engravers are different craftsman.But my opinion is: this style was a pattern in a ckecklist alike the blade etchings may be on Luftwaffe-daggers!
Here is the brother,but "only" in brown!

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@thomas,
what a lovely piece.
I've heard about this dagger from one of our "fellows",but i didn't seen any pic's of it.

Gerd