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#357397 02/23/2023 11:46 PM
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I was given a German dagger by my grandfather back in the 1970's. It was lost long ago, thrown away when the bakelite cracked and fell off (sigh), but I would really like to replace it.
He claimed that it was a German WW2 bayonet, but looking at examples online, I don't think it had the tell-tale button or slit.
As I remember it was very similar to the Hitler Jugend knife, but had a longer and thinner blade. Also no "diamond" on the handle, but rather a sort of monogram (or could it have been a stag?). This is the only picture I have of it, sorry, I know it's not much to go on.
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Since you believe there was no mortise button, maybe it was a fire bayonet?


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Algabatz - Welcome to GDC !

Here are pictures of Fire Department Bayonets. Can this be what you had ?

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Two short dress bayonets and a short fire bayonet.........

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WW1 fighting knife ??? Hard to tell the length in that photo.

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That’s the first fire bayonet I ever owned, the first of maybe 135-140 of them.


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That was a fine first Fire for sure. I'm sure they just went up in quality from there.
Did Carl J Krebs make Fire bayonets?

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Tony,,,,welcome to the forum.... - you were real young there.. The length just doesn't seem there to be a bayo of any type... I think Ed773 has it,,,,there was a fighting knife , black handles, no markings usually and the shape of a dress bayo just smaller... All my fighting knife collection is gone.. Anyone have one to post,,,I really think thats it..

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see a broken side plate with the rivet hanging down - see circle. Also the point of the knife - red line.

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Originally Posted by ed773
That was a fine first Fire for sure. I'm sure they just went up in quality from there.
Did Carl J Krebs make Fire bayonets?

They certainly did Ed, a small oval logo and a large logo too. I owned both types back in the day. Fairly uncommon maker in fire bayonets.


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My list keeps getting longer.
Another to look for.
I have several Heer Krebs, but no Luftwaffe yet.
A few Heer dress Bayonets, no Fire.

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Ed, I’ve owned a couple of Krebs Luft daggers. I still own a Voos pattern Luft by CJ Krebs, really nice one too.

From memory, there were four variants of the Krebs maker mark, Johnny Z has them all represented.


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That is correct, there are four. I have looked at Johnny Z's often on the maker mark thread.
I just think Carl Krebs took the time when he did a lot of daggers. The fit of the grip to the Pommel and Ferrule on both my Heer's is perfect.
Hope to get a Luft some day.
Would that be the double etch Voos pattern??

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little kid,,even if one of the same bayos its still too big to be in his mouth like that..

I still think its one of these black handle fighting knives:

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That's the one I think it could be.
The one you show by it self is a nice fighting knife. No, not MINT, but I like the ones that have seen the combat, not a shelf the entire war life.
Very nice blade on that one..

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But Tony said there was no button.

I hope he comes back.

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Yes, both mine have buttons, but I do not know if some came without them.
If they all had buttons, then I would guess Fire bayonet. But to me it does not look 10" long blade in the photos.

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Some of those black handled fighting knifes didn't have buttons..

the first photo with the 4 knives is mine,,,the 2nd photo is from a topic I searched 'fighting knives'.. One topic had member 'Seany' with part of his collection ,,about 50 knives ,,,bet there was one in there!

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Well, he has not come back to see our posts ....

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Any responsible grandfather would have given his grandson a DJ knife in my opinion.

The other stuff is way to heavy and could damage the kids teeth and jaw...

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Checkout the size (right one)

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Thanks everyone for all your great input! I'll keep an eye out now when I have an inkling of what I'm looking for!
Thanks again, your knowledge is very impressive!
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Originally Posted by Dave
Algabatz - Welcome to GDC !

Here are pictures of Fire Department Bayonets. Can this be what you had ?

Dave

I seem to remember it only having one, sorry I don't know what it's called in English, blade protection "horns", and no eagle head. But I could be wrong...

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Originally Posted by Gaspare
Tony,,,,welcome to the forum.... - you were real young there.. The length just doesn't seem there to be a bayo of any type... I think Ed773 has it,,,,there was a fighting knife , black handles, no markings usually and the shape of a dress bayo just smaller... All my fighting knife collection is gone.. Anyone have one to post,,,I really think thats it..

Very interesting, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Vern
Two short dress bayonets and a short fire bayonet.........
Beautiful!

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Originally Posted by Gaspare
little kid,,even if one of the same bayos its still too big to be in his mouth like that..

I still think its one of these black handle fighting knives:

It certainly looks like what I remember, save for the eagle head, but I could be mistaken ...

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Originally Posted by Dave
But Tony said there was no button.

I hope he comes back.

It was such a long time ago that I really can't be sure ... But I think I would have remembered the eagle head.

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Originally Posted by Dave
Well, he has not come back to see our posts ....

Sorry about that, I ended up in a hospital for a while.

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Originally Posted by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann)
Any responsible grandfather would have given his grandson a DJ knife in my opinion.

The other stuff is way to heavy and could damage the kids teeth and jaw...

Herman

That's how I remember the back end, but the blade is too wide and has the wrong shape.

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Originally Posted by ed773
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That's the one I think it could be.
The one you show by it self is a nice fighting knife. No, not MINT, but I like the ones that have seen the combat, not a shelf the entire war life.
Very nice blade on that one..

This is actually exactly like I remember it, but with a plain end, no eagle head. But I could be wrong ...


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