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[Linked Image]If you will not read my posts so be it.

My apologies if I insulted Your great ego Hermann . I'm just in awe of your great and all-knowing knowledge. You really are the anointed forum internet expert and oracle .
You are the poster child for the phrase ( Ignorance is bliss) or (you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink..)
I'm just totally amazed at your huge depth of knowledge.. Now I'm totally speechless

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Damast, really, I do not want to offend you...

But, the point you try to make here, with all your postings of one and the same image seems to be the following:

- Fakers made a (not very well detailed) etching plate of 4 Malsch & Ambronn logo's.
- Than they looked for a, hard to find, unmarked WKC dagger, produced around 1938-39
- They then adapted, improved and reduced their Maisch & Ambronn etching plate to the size of that Kriegsmarine dagger blade.
- And finally they used their etching plate... just once!

Common, don't tell me that you believe that yourself?

Best regards,

Herman

PS: I propose you check Ralph Siegert's reference books, there many etching plates are shown and how they were used, if those are what you collect...

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Gentlemen ......

Please tone it down a little.

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Unlike what many collectors (and some dealers) seem the believe: Malch & Ambronn was NOT a maker of water pumps, who temporary switched to production of SA-daggers.

They were specialized in all kinds of knifes and cutlery. So it makes perfectly sense that they produced (and distributed) several types of 3R dress daggers.

Also note that many different "pumping man" maker marks have been used.

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Herman

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"Am Bronn" means "at the well" according to Carter's book.

Many German sword and knife manufacturers used different versions of their trademarks. Look at ASSO - different version for SA and SS daggers.

The point that concerned me when I first saw this dagger was that the trademark was off center with a small piece of the border missing. Most manufacturers are very finicky about their trademarks. They go to some length to design and register unique marks and defend them strongly against knock offs and look-alikes. How did this dagger escape the normally detail conscious workers and vigilant inspectors ?

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Hello Dave,

That is indeed a valid observation and remark!

And I must admit, that it was the only element, that made me hesitate for a moment to buy this dagger.

But I have been reassured about it, because the same can be seen on several larger maker marks on the typical, very thin blades of the Kriegsmarine dagger (see pic hereunder)

You will also find several examples in Tom Wittmann book on German Navy daggers.

Best regards,

Herman

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I also think the makermark of M&A was added post war. I also think there are unmarked blades out there with the sailing ship etch. As a matter of fact, I have one in my collection.

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Could you show it here, Danny?

And both etched sides if possible?

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Ofcourse Herman, I will take some pictures tomorrow.

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IMO seems many people are dismissive of things neither known or seen prevously we can judge engraved and numbered/personalized daggers based upon the "newness" of the dedication, engraving or etch and style. In 2019 I attended the MAX and brought a generic double engraved Heer dagger with a luft and heer etched blade. Both Wittmann and Johnson loved it even though they had never seen one previously. NOTHING beats an in hand inspection. In good light all details are visible I am certain that an "in hand" examinatiion will answer many questions. cheers and best, Ryan

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Originally Posted by Lamby
https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/kriegsmarine-daggers/kriegsmarine-dagger-collection-342128-3/

Here is a non maker marked navy dagger on another forum. Post 25.

That’s my dagger. That’s the one I was talking about when I said I had a sailing ship etched navy dagger without maker mark.

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Hello Danny,,

Thx for the link, nice unmarked Kriegsmarine dagger!

Have you been able to identify the maker? I cannot make it out from your posted pictures, due to the used angle... but I don't recognize a WKC eagle...

Best regards,

Herman


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Thanks Herman. The eagle is WKC just like the scabbard. It’s the early variant of the WKC pommel. That fits the sailing ship etch perfectly. Just like the one in post #3.

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Thank you, Danny, that is excellent news!

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Just as I expected, the unmarked WKC ship pattern Kriegsmarine of Danny, has NOT the same blade etch as on my Malsch & Ambronn dagger!

So that is another clear indication for me that the dagger was produced by WKC, specially ordered by the Malsch & Ambronn firm.

It is NOT an unmarked WKC blade with the MM added!

Best regards,

Herman


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Is this the same blade on a post-war dagger that has had a swastika added?
https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/fo...nted-on-oddly-marked-kriegsmarine-dagger

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Originally Posted by Lamby
Is this the same blade on a post-war dagger that has had a swastika added?
https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/fo...nted-on-oddly-marked-kriegsmarine-dagger

laugh

May I suggest that you use a bigger screen or order new glasses, Lamby.?

Herman

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And we sometimes wonder why there are no new people getting involved on this site.

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Hello Ed,

Newly made profiles are not necessary new collectors/people joining the forum.

I would recommend that you read the 10 posts that "Lamby" has made, during his almost 4 years of membership on GDC...

At least, my Mailsch & Ambronn Kriegsmarine dagger seems to have woken him up, after more than 2 years of complete silence... and good for 20% of all his posts ever!

cool

Best regards,

Herman

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Herman,

Lamby has indeed made 10 posts in almost 4 years. Some members have less to say than others, perhaps ?

I read those posts and I found them to be on topic and polite, which is more than I can say for some of your recent posts frown

If you think Lamby needs to visit the optometrist or should need a bigger monitor, please keep those thoughts to yourself.

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The borders of the blade etching are double as large on the postwar blade (picture below) compared to the WKC-Malsch& Ambronn etch.

See my comments about that in the topic on WAF!

What else do you want me to say to people who don't (want to) see that?

Best regards,

Herman

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