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Ger, that is one sweet Pack.

Not anywhere in as good condition or with as rare fittings, I have 4 Packs.

Early small mark, frayed belt
Early small mark, solid belt
Large Siegfried with arch
Large Siegfried without arch.

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Geritt

Very nice dagger and hanger!

John

Always liked E Pack itema!

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Ryan Sellicks engraved luft

Waiting for better pics!

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Bringing back our discussion and showing of our luft things!


As always thanks to all for making this thread fun! With out you collectors sharing
or about to share info and pics!

A big shout out to you all!

Now as many collectors might want to know!

Voo's etched blades on Lufts is well known and highly prized by collectors!

They could be marked or unmarked!


What makes them so prized!


I happened to see on Lakesidetrader a 1st Luft double etched by Carl Julius Krebs! A killer piece I might add!


So for the many real in depth collectors of these things how about your thoughts on engraved lufts!

Anyone have pics!


Ryan Sellick has that luft engraved I just posted here but I asked him to show better pics!



One more thing I hope we can discuss down the road!

Hand enhanced,head,feathers,wings,top side Oak leaves and Acorns!


Maybe which makers did this with lufts!


They also claim gilted examples are drying up!


What say collectors!


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I have seen 5 maker marked Voos style etched 2nd Lufts:

CJ Krebs
Holster
Klaas
Voos
WKC

And, the Voos etched Krebs 1st Luft is the only on Lakesidetrader is the only such 1st Luft I have seen.

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And, there are two versions of the etch on blades without maker mark.

The difference is in the etch tip, sorta like a spear head. One is plain, no added dots.
The other version has added dots

Johnz

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John


I just jumped out of my chair!!!

Just beautiful stuff! The etch on them is works of art!

And 1 beauty you show is just close up and looking
at me!

The detail of pic has captured my attention!

Thank you for showing the real deal!


Enjoying the show!

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John,

I’ve got a Voos Army and an etched CJ Krebs but I do love that Klaas. Something to shoot for I guess.


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You are all welcome.

Billy, this Klaas is the only one I have seen over the years .

Johnz


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I've heard of etched Klaas examples and their well plated blades. Seen one or two others but don't remember where. Always looking though.


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There exist Voos pattern armys with no trademark. I saw some at the MAX in 2003.

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Thanks to the posters and looker!

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Originally Posted by Dave
There exist Voos pattern armys with no trademark. I saw some at the MAX in 2003.

The unmarked Voos patterns are out there but are definitely less desirable. They typically have an orange trolon grip, as opposed to ivory, as well. These unmarked examples routinely run half the cost of a marked example but are still nice enough, especially for someone on a budget.

I got a marked Army a few years ago and have been very happy with it. The unmarked are for sure harder to sell.


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Originally Posted by JohnZ
Ger, that is one sweet Pack.

Not anywhere in as good condition or with as rare fittings, I have 4 Packs.

Early small mark, frayed belt
Early small mark, solid belt
Large Siegfried with arch
Large Siegfried without arch.

Great to see all those Pack logo's John, some are very rare!
Although the first style shows differences in style i more or less thought those are etch plate changes, rather then different logo's.

Thx for showing smile

and those Voos ones are beautiful, i wasnt aware of the different patterns that Voos used, thx for pointing that out.

Ger

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Gotta love those Packs!


Billy

The unmarked Voos patterns are out there but are definitely less desirable. They typically have an orange trolon grip, as opposed to ivory, as well. These unmarked examples routinely run half the cost of a marked example but are still nice enough, especially for someone on a budget.

I got a marked Army a few years ago and have been very happy with it. The unmarked are for sure harder to sell.


I understand the the unmarked Voos being harder to sell!

But

Unmarked Voos etched blades were sold through distributors and uniform shops!


Did other makers use the Voos style?


John and Billy


Can the trained eye of collectors of Voos spot a Voos thats not marked?


Thanks

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I have a few pics of a Ivory army dagger with a Voos blade marked!

The friend that had it died!

I know they made repro blades yrs ago!


Not sure if blade was real! But ivory was super looker!

Will have to post!

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Tiger 1st Model Luft

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Originally Posted by pvon
John and Billy


Can the trained eye of collectors of Voos spot a Voos thats not marked?


Thanks

PVON

Yes, it comes down to the positioning of the etch template on the blade. A Voos marked etch appears on the blade further away from the crossguard (or nearer toward the tip, if you will), presumably to permit room for the Voos logo on the reverse. This makes sense actually.

There was also something I read about some years back on an unmarked Voos regarding some additional "droplets" on the etch border closest to the tip. The marked Voos patterns apparently don't have these.


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Thanks Billy

Always trying to learn something!




Tanker


That is a beauty! And a Tiger!

Condition is outstanding looking!


What do you think think number 27? stands for?


Gee Tanker

I see more drawers!!!!



Thanks for sharing


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I always liked the look of Luft edgeweapons!


1st or second and early DLV NSFK

The leather on them or cross guards!

Something about them!

PVON

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They are easy on the eyes!

PVON

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Here is the only glass luft I have seen!

A Pack!!!!!!!!


Mike B collected luft daggers! He was a nice guy and I do not know what happened to him or dagger!

PVON

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Tanker
That is a beauty! And a Tiger!
Condition is outstanding looking!

What do you think think number 27? stands for?



Gee Tanker

I see more drawers!!!!
{quote/pvon]

Thanks pvon. The number 274 is etched on the blade and scabbard throat. I assume they are a control/inventory number (?).
The other drawers house my Heer daggers.

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Thanks Tanker

Like seeing these items!


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The scabbard throat.

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I see that Tanker!

Now what do you like about Luft edgeweapons?

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I am not sure. My favorites are the Heers but for the lufts, it may be the simple design that is appealing. I do like the 1st luft and sword too.

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Tanker

I hear you!

My favorites are the ones in front of me!

How about some hangers folks!


I spotted these deluxe luft hangers for sale! 145.00 shipped!

Very nice set! Don't you think?

Price seems fair! Not much you can buy!


They sold very fast!

Lets see some!


PVON

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If I am not mistaken was their gold also? Generals? Or just gold wash!


How about some knots!

I bet some of you hoarders got them!

PVON

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And as always a shout out and thanks to all!

Your pictures are really nice guys!


Engraved blades,makers, and just the detail of items is quite good!

Makes the items come alive! I know its easy to miss details when looking!

Then as you go back and look!

I say hey I missed that and look at that! Sometimes collectors miss something right in front of them!

We get in a hurry to look but don't always catch everything!

I just started going back and sure enough! Looking closer and with more detail,these items reveal more!

Imagine at a show what we all miss!

On the forum we can study a object!


Thanks guys

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Here is a 2nd luft with just a spot of gold left!

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PVON looking at the first pics of your latest post i have a question: did that Alcoso come with an army scabbard? or did you mixed pics with an army dagger with a late generic scabbard wink

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I had many daggers in front of me trying to take fast pics!

Sure could have goofed it up!

Trying to be fast is not always good!

When you go to buy!

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Its easy to mix up when your on floor of bathroom to catch lite!

But I like the trouble when I see something to check out!

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Amazing stuff guys!

pvon, I am taking special notice of that early first model Luftwaffe dagger from Alcoso.. you don’t see many with that big maker Mark I also have one and think it is their initial production..?

John Z and Ger.. Amazing Pack Daggers!

Adding a few of my own….

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Last.. sorry my photo managing app is shrinking these too much leaving the pics a little grainy..

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Thanks, Kevin,

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Nice Daggers. Gilded pommels and orange grips, doesn't get any better.
Ed

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