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Dear forum users.
I just started collecting knives of the 3rd Reich. I bought two Hitlerjugend knives with authenticity guarantee from a private seller. The knife without motto is very similar to the original, but the second one has doubts about the grip plates, namely non-magnetic grip rivets and small backlash on the grip plates.
Thank you very much for your time and knowledge. smile

Best regards
Dan

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second knive with motto

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Hello Dan ,

your two knives are Ok and I appreciate the marking LFS (Lederwerke Sedina Finkenwald) on the leather of the 1st one .

Congrats to you .

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Your Schuttelhofer (RZM M7/13) appears to be all original. Is the diamond wiggling?

I do worry about the authenticity of the Voos (RZM M7/2):
- Those alloy rivets are not what you expect to find on a 1938 Voos made knife.
- The stamped marking appears amateurish applied
- it shows a too bold diamond.

Is the hilt steel based (magnetic)?
Does it has full length or is it shorter compared to the Schuttelhofer?

Best regards,

Herman


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Herman, thank you very much for your response .
I will add some more photos of both knives for comparison.

RZM M7/13, the diamond is wiggling,

RZM 7/2 Pommel is not magnetic

Best regards,
Dan

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Hello Dan,

Unfortunately, the Voos HJ-knife is not a period one in my opinion:

- The cross grain is also not what we expect, it is too scratchy for a 1938 HJ-knife

- Also compare the rivets and the RZM mark with the Voos HJ-knifes below.

- 99% of the original, early 1938 (mottoed) HJ-knifes still had the steel based (magnetic) hilt.

Best regards,

Herman

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Here is an overview on the authentic RZM marking by Voos.

Best regards,

Herman

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