UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories The Honor Ring Forum For Gaspare : Fake Honor Ring & Cert!

He has been pushing me to post this here for a while. I did not even know about it until a friend of mine sent me the link. Owner of these photos is Tom Wittman. This is on hold and is listed on his site for $14,995. I am certain an upstanding bedrock of the hobby would not mind both the use of the photos for impartial discussion as well as the noble pursuit of historical inquiry... so - really- posting these does nothing for me except get even more people pissed at me so have at it. I have no dog in this fight.

Disappointing, is that a genuine certificate?

Of course this is a bad copy and I saw many years ago that wittmann sale copy

Just for interest, the identical ring (due to a lot of minute, distinct details), together with the -certificate- has been offered at 11/2019 for 11.000USD at germaniainternational...
Regards

Mike,,,[and others],,, IF you see a ring your pretty sure is fake please,,,go ahead and put it on here. Doesn't matter who's selling it.. You guys are members,,if your suspicious your probably right.. Go ahead , put them up...


Don't know what happened to Mr. Wittman.. There has been plenty of questionable stuff he's been selling / vouching for.... He can take that HR and keep it with his Nazi/SS Christmas balls!

Good work!

it is still there :


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For our archive:

Wow! Great work Martin!

site germaniainternational very famous garbage )))

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So members,,, Is the Cert a good one and its mated to a reproduction HR? [been done a few times]...
OR is the Cert and the HR fakes,,,,
OR would Don certify a bad ring?

Sad to see and hopefully this will save someone their hard earned money [thanks Mike!]

* Anyone real familiar with Dons certification paper? This look like a bad one.?.. It looks like Dons handwriting......

In my opinion the Cert is fake. I have two dated August and December 2017 in my hands and they are different. First of all this is not for sure scan of original but scan of what try to appear black/white copy. Second I see two major problems and several smaller ones. The best way to confirm is to call and ask Don, whether he knows Lana Cantrell and whether he issued Cert concerning this ring to him. Task for native speaker .

hi gaspare/members
im sorry i just have to give every one here my honest opinion about this ss honor ring named Schaz dated 21.12.43 certification made out to a young woman last name cantrell both certification with her name on it is genuine made out by don boyle and guess what the ring with the above name is real not fake now i did notice people throwing outher people here under the bus hey i know we all aint perfect and gaspare please dont say or even think that don boyle would certifi a bad ring i know don for over thirty more years and he certifies all my rings been buying /selling ss honor rings with his certification never had one ring come back yes germania internationals listed that ring for a few years for sum of 11,000 now it was sold by mr. tom wittmann for 15,000 gess these two dealers are ripping off us guys wittmann can ask what ever he want does that make him a thief or dishonest sorry i dont agree with some of you guys here now Evgeniy my friend this ring is not a bad copy now lartisto from prag the above certification is real with the cantrell name on it the outher certification is fake sorry i dont see what you see its wrong last if any one from overseas has a question about a ss honor ring see don at the sos show next month in kentucky he will look at any of your rings give the rings to a friend relitive to bring to this sos show this way its not lost in the mail god bless every one here and overseas ps i will have some ss honor rings at the show for sale andy militarynut

Hi Andy

I sent an email to Don and asked him whether the Certificate is legit or not and even noticed why I doubt that t is original. If it is original, then can openly comment, that the other Certificates dated in 2017 which I have or have seen are not in cursive writing and even the phrasing is slightly different. Also Don's business card is missing.

That's it.



Jan

hi jan
thanks for your opinion i have told many members here don boyle does not answer any e mails as of a few years ago so what else can i tell you i wish i had an answer for you but i dont my opinion if you have the ring and this certification from don and have some one bring it to the military sos show don will be there and would be glad to look at this ring and certification for you or your friend hope this satisfies all the problems with calling this ring a fake its not and tom wittmann did nothing wrong in selling a good ss honor ring with the original certification god bless andy militarynut

The signature on the certificate is written with interruption ( hesitation)... ...Boy/ le .

hi benten
thanks for your observation on don boyles certification signiture with cantrells name is a good one take my word the outher don boyle certification has been altered and is not doing any justice to this great conditioned ss honor ring but in any collectble antiques cars etc there is fakes and dishonest people thats why we have to deal with the honest dealers who like me give a money back guarentee money gladly refunded no matter what my word is my bond just ask ourselves this important question am i better off with no guarentee because the ring is cheaper in price or do i go with a honest dealer who all ways guarenteed every thing i ever sold money back no questions asked well bottom line here is we only get what we pay for cheap is cheap thank you sir its a pleasure to talk to you again god bless andy militarynut

Andy, it's always a pleasure for me to talk to you !

I'm with those that do not like this ring.. They are not my thing but I see a couple things I do not like right away....

Lana IS one half of Germania International!!

I have see Dons certs copied before very well! So with this photo I have no opinion..

Members.. THIS year a book on HRs is coming out of Italy. This book will be the most accurate yet. Seems Don has had it wrong all this time.. Doesn't mean Don can't spot a authentic HR,,just means the way he thought them made is not correct......

Like to hear more about the book and construction theory !

Hopefully it will be in English!, [Think it is I will see an advanced copy in a couple months].

Mike, construction doesn't make sense!, not a bit,,but 'Science' reveals all..
The book seems to be very thorough. I still like Dons black hardcover and this will be the perfect companion book for the HR.. ALL speculation should be done with,,just the facts...

This is exactly what this board is about. Many thanks for explanation who Lana is, I dd not know that!

I'm dumb, but what does "PP" mean?

you are certainly not....

On this forum it refers to 'Private Purchase' ... There are issued rings, semi official rings and the ones you bought or ordered at retail outlets and magazines [PP].

Hello,

PP stands for private purchase (rings), referred to mass production rings available for anyone having money to buy them.

Ric