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#344933 11/17/2019 11:08 PM
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I am putting together a photo file of Rohm SS dagger inscriptions by maker. So far, I have 9 different as follows-

Boker (small mark)
Eickhorn (large mark/smooth tail, small mark/smooth tail, small mark/serrated tail)
Hammesfahr
Herder
Klaas (large mark, small mark)
Kober

I would like to see a photo of any other makers you may have. Also, does anyone have an Eickhorn Rohm with the large mark and serrated tail?


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Vern #344937 11/18/2019 05:55 PM
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Here are the 3 Eickhorn photos that I have (click on the photo to see the full size image) ...

SS Eickhorn 1.jpg (50.15 KB, 372 downloads)
SS Eickhorn 2.jpg (50.25 KB, 371 downloads)
SS Eickhorn 3.jpg (45.72 KB, 372 downloads)

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Here are 3 more - Boker, Hammesfahr, and Herder).....

SS Boker.jpg (47.71 KB, 369 downloads)
SS Hammesfahr.jpg (61.77 KB, 368 downloads)
SS Herder.jpg (44.41 KB, 362 downloads)

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Vern #344939 11/18/2019 11:07 PM
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And the last 3 I have - Klaas and Kober ........

SS Klaas.jpg (51.51 KB, 357 downloads)
SS Klaas 2.jpg (53.41 KB, 359 downloads)
SS Kober.jpg (46.61 KB, 357 downloads)

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Vern #344940 11/19/2019 12:28 AM
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Very nice, looks to me like the Eick's have it.
But, they are all nice.
Thanks
Ed

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In a word....wow !

also excellent photos

is The Kober a partial Ground ?

thanks for posting

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Thanks. I'm working on something similar for the SA daggers wink


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I am really glad to see that Kober Rohm dagger.

I have one that is shown in TW's book and for quite a while it was the only known example.

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Great info thanks for sharing


Regards Sean
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Yes the Kober is a name only grind and polish wink


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Thanks Vern, are these from one collection? I hate to say it, but several of these have bad inscriptions, some appear to have "Ernst Rohm" added?

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Not from a collection. They are either photos taken at shows or from dealer listings.


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Vern #344977 11/25/2019 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Vern
Thanks. I'm working on something similar for the SA daggers wink


Hi Vern ,

good idea , I will be a faithful "customer" for all your informations !

S+

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I have 16 makers who produced Rohm etched SA daggers and will start posting the photos tomorrow. These photos are primarily to show the maker's mark used and it's positioning on the blade for each maker. Some makers used the same mark on both Rohm and non-Rohm daggers while others either moved the mark closer to the crossguard or used a smaller mark. Authenticating a Rohm etch should be done with the dagger in hand as focus, lighting, and angle can effect the photo image.


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Here are the first 6 makers of SA daggers with the Rohm etch (3 marks for Eickhorn).....


SA Aesculap.jpg (42.44 KB, 272 downloads)
SA Eickhorn 1.jpg (41.93 KB, 270 downloads)
SA Eickhorn 2.jpg (42.88 KB, 272 downloads)
SA Eickhorn 3.jpg (43.41 KB, 273 downloads)
SA F Dick.jpg (47.87 KB, 272 downloads)
SA Haco.jpg (53.28 KB, 271 downloads)
SA Haenel.jpg (43.9 KB, 270 downloads)
SA Hammesfahr.jpg (43.84 KB, 270 downloads)

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And here are the next 10 makers of SA daggers with the Rohm etch.......

SA Heller.jpg (50.58 KB, 269 downloads)
SA Henckels.jpg (47.48 KB, 269 downloads)
SA Herder.jpg (44.26 KB, 268 downloads)
SA Kober.jpg (39.87 KB, 268 downloads)
SA Merten.jpg (48.28 KB, 267 downloads)
SA Pack.jpg (45 KB, 266 downloads)
SA Sauer.jpg (47.51 KB, 264 downloads)
SA SMF.jpg (47.99 KB, 263 downloads)
SA Wingen.jpg (50.93 KB, 262 downloads)
SA Wusthof.jpg (45.9 KB, 263 downloads)

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Vern #344987 11/27/2019 07:43 PM
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Thanks go out to a forum member for the photo of a complete Rohm inscribed Wusthof SA dagger with small trademark

SA Wusthof.jpg (49.99 KB, 239 downloads)
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And just to complete the etched series, here is a Himmler. Carl Eickhorn was the only maker, and this is the only correct original maker mark.....

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Don't forget the bushy tail Himmler by Eickhorn grin

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43208j.jpg (46.44 KB, 204 downloads)
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Opps wink


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You mean this one.....

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Jawol herr Oberstforumfuhrer !

Happy Thanksgiving too

Dave

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And a Happy Turkey Day to you and yours! wink


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For ease of viewing, all the above photos have been loaded into a gallery in the 3rd Reich Daggers & Swords thread of the GDC Reference Gallery. The gallery is named "SA/SS Rohm Dagger Makers".


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A very rare version of the Himmler Honor SS dagger came with Eickhorn's large oval trademark as well.

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And there are some extremely rare "Christmas" SA and SS M33's which bear the Rohm dedication by both Pack & Eickhorn edged weapon firms.

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JR is correct, as usual

The SA prototypes or "Christmas Daggers" were ALL full Rohms.

The EP&S examples carried the well-known EP&S logo set close to the crossguard. The one below is currently for sale by TW.

Note: I have altered the contrast to make the trademark more visible but the grind marks look worse.

Dave

Xmas 1.jpg (56.47 KB, 203 downloads)
xmas 2.jpg (56.08 KB, 203 downloads)
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The Eickhorn "Christmas Daggers" used the older single oval trademark.

The example shown below is from a French Reference book. Sorry for the poor pics

Dave


Old SA 2.jpg (54.01 KB, 202 downloads)
Old SA Rohm 2.jpg (33.24 KB, 202 downloads)
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JR,

You mentioned "And there are some extremely rare "Christmas" SA and SS M33's which bear the Rohm dedication by both Pack & Eickhorn edged weapon firms."

I'd love to hear more about the SS "Christmas" dagger

Thanks

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Well, JR sure does know his SS daggers.
I was lucky enough one day to see a bunch of them in a JR SS dagger lesson. WOW!! was that something I will never forget.
All dagger dealers should take lessons from JR and Kris on how to treat potential customers and collectors, the hobby would be better, and larger.
One thing odd though?!** He kept his sweetest SS out in the garage covered with a blanket??? Go figure?
Ed

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Here are the 2 Eickhorn daggers with the early motto.....

SA 33 Eickhorn.jpg (107.37 KB, 223 downloads)
SA 34 Eickhorn.jpg (87.17 KB, 219 downloads)

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Would like additional info on the large trademark Himmler. I've only seen 2 and after in hand examination, both were bad. And here's an early Pack.....

SA 33 Pack.jpg (106.5 KB, 200 downloads)

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And a supposed SS version.....

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Originally Posted by JR
A very rare version of the Himmler Honor SS dagger came with Eickhorn's large oval trademark as well.


Originally Posted by JR
And there are some extremely rare "Christmas" SA and SS M33's which bear the Rohm dedication by both Pack & Eickhorn edged weapon firms.



I can show the large oval himmler and pack SS christmas dagger with the rohm just send me a PM or email.


Always looking for top condition daggers of any variety!
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And an Ed Wusthof with the large trademark

SA Wusthof 1.jpg (48.62 KB, 68 downloads)

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