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Ostap #344043 07/23/2019 05:26 PM
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signs of casting

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Dear forum members, I use Google translator for correspondence. Because of this there may be inaccuracies in the translation, please correct me, if I write something is wrong.

Ostap #344045 07/23/2019 07:03 PM
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I used to have the same problem when I posted on Russian sites and German.. The translator is horrible.

the content stamp [835] is the same we see on most fakes.... Also the band on a ring such as this would have a high polish, this does not.

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Ostap #344046 07/23/2019 07:12 PM
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- also the design is way to shallow for a die to have been used,,,and the eye hole sure isn't done from a press...

The ring has been coated with a ageing solution. There are areas that are black that shouldn't be and bare metal where shouldn't be..There are more areas not marked when you look...

Also. The history of the ring.. The 2 shown that are now in Ado's collection have been around for many years.. We just couldn't get out hands on them!
The ring you show has no history. Found years after the break up of the USSR like most fakes and fantasies. No German vet bring backs none in Germany. These weird rings only seem to show up in former republic of the USSR. The rings were not made there during the war, nor sold there..

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Ostap #344047 07/23/2019 07:32 PM
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Dear Gaspard, show how the correct content of the stamp should look [835].
As for the fact that there is no history, let me remind you that in the USSR from June 1941 to December 1944 there were active hostilities. During this time, many German soldiers were killed and disappeared. That is why, on our land a lot of German things and the remains of soldiers.

Ostap #344052 07/25/2019 01:01 AM
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hi members
i looked at all the above ss skull rings tyhat are shown here stamped 835 or not in my experenced opinion nothing but junk fake rings and all we are doing thanks to some of the members here is educating the fakers on how to make 5thier ss rings better and thier silver content marks better and correct then they can sell and burn the newbies that doesnt know any better please listen to a ww2 quoat loose lips sink ships thats what is happning here and this is my opinion thanks enjoy god bless andy militarynut

Ostap #344056 07/25/2019 05:40 PM
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ostap..,, there and many topic here to look at. To see some good content stamps see a couple of the pinned topics at the top... To see fakes see some of the topics on the other pages where the rings are fake.... Yes many SS in the USSR.. But the history starts in Germany.. A ring like this was made pre war or maybe right at wartime 39 [but doubtful] . There are laws against SS rings made after 33 when AH took power. Anyway,, the ring would have to be made in Germany yes? and bought by a SS man yes? There is no history of it. Only on Eastern digger sites... The other 2 rings have been known for many years,,many.

IF your happy with it than fine. For the serious students of ring collecting and manufacture they see it for what it is,,a fantasy piece..Not made correctly,,with a ageing solution applied to it, known/commonly used fake content stamp..

SO it has been shown our reasons why it is not good.. Please, now your turn.. Please show us the beautiful finish to the band, the deep recesses from the die. Why the band has been sanded before even in ground, etc etc. Why is it real?

Ostap #344094 07/30/2019 04:30 PM
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...what do you say to this ring?

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Ostap #344095 07/30/2019 04:32 PM
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photo

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Ostap #344096 07/30/2019 04:33 PM
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Ostap #344098 07/30/2019 05:42 PM
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That is the same ring they tried to pass on WAF are you trying to do the same in here as well!!??
I suggest you guys keep posting rings like this on your Facebook rings forums you create and where you pick and choose who will be your members, members who will agree with you that rings like this one are original.

Ostap #344101 07/31/2019 04:22 AM
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it's not my ring,the pictures are from the Internet.

Ostap #344109 07/31/2019 06:30 PM
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Again, place the photo of the ring in high resolution. Unfortunately,this forum does not allow to upload large files.
I want you to make sure the ring is original.

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Ostap #344110 07/31/2019 06:31 PM
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the photo

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Ostap #344118 08/01/2019 01:22 PM
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The design is not deep enough to have come from a die.. Also, left eye shows sign of casting. Inner band not finished off, also it even looks like the content is not a stamp but cast in!..

Ostap,, a old saying for this hobby is: The devil is in the details.... These good photos show [ at least for me ] that it is cast = postwar..

Everyone is free to express their own opinion here.. Lets see if anyone would like to comment about the ring. Thanks for the photos...,G.

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Ostap #344119 08/01/2019 02:34 PM
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Left side of nose- from forehead through teeth and all the way to the bottoms of the skull is a huge casting flaw. True that bad strikes missed strikes over strikes under strikes double strikes all happen in die stamping just look at all the coins. But this is a casting flaunt- no question. Unfortunate for us then it circles back to die struck vs cast pieces as existing along side with one another during the period. I honestly thing it depends on the ring- if it exhibits the same exact traits as a well known struck pattern but has casting flaws- it is a copy.

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Ostap #344120 08/01/2019 03:48 PM
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Mikhail Nikolayevich was right ...

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Ostap #344125 08/01/2019 10:53 PM
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Sorry I do not understand the reference?

Ostap #344126 08/02/2019 05:01 AM
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2nd ring is a real horror show.. Guys used to think that pattern so rare you wouldn't see reproductions. Well there you go,,,,every pattern no matter how rare has been copied.. I let my shot SS ring out of my hands for a nite and a couple months later I saw copies!!!!

So with that 2nd ring [last one shown] the faults are really easy to see. Bad photos, or 'its dug' artificial wear won't hide them.....

Gaspare #344130 08/02/2019 05:20 PM
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I have only seen 3 examples of this pirate type ring since i have been collecting;
1. From Gaspare collection and now in my personal collection
2. Somewhere in north america which has the year 1935 engraved inside the ring ( i have the photos of that ring but will not post photos as it is not fair to current owner of that ring as that ring does not belong to me!!)
3. Couple of years ago see example of the same ring in a Russian collection (have photo someplace will have to look for it) but i believe that ring is the same ring that was posted on WAF estand recently and now posted on here as well!!

Ostap #344134 08/03/2019 05:23 AM
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Ado,, the rings shown on this page 6 and on page 5 are both postwar.. As you now have both patterns you must be able to see they are worlds apart.. The 1st pattern is just so rare. Many will never see it but on the forums.
The 2nd pattern still pretty rare and has a simple band. But the workmanship the detail and enamel is just super!

Maybe write the owner and ask permission... OR,,if the ring image/photo was at one time on the internet you are allowed to post it.. You just can't make any money off the image!

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Yes Gaspare i was aware of that, i was the first one who made call on that 1st pattern once it was posted on WAF estand as not being good ring. I have first time seen this ring in a Russian collection among many other rings maybe 4-5 years ago so its been around for a while but still many issues with that ring which can been even more clearly seen on the new photos posted on here by member Ostap.


If the owner of the ring with 1935 engraving is member on here and reads this send me a P. message.

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