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Ring found on the vast expanses of Russia.

Silver ring.

Seen this before in a discussion- maybe slightly different but not enough to convince me. I am not a fan. Each to their own opinions of course- but I do not like it. Lots of reasons but I can start with the stamp. It is horrible.

- With or without enamel this wouldn't be for me either..

Me too

Ric

Lol Ric perfetto

And the band....looks like its been sanded? Some definite artificial aging done on thia piece....

yes sanded,,probably to hide the shallow detail and/or faults...

As far as Skull over SS rune rings...

- There are 2. The 1st pattern 'Pirate' skull. Designed and made by firma Wilm.. And, the 2nd pattern, the 'Bonecrusher' skull. I have had the pleasure of owning the both of these rings. Miss them but family first! , anyway.. These are both very rare rings..

Both solid silver. Excellent finish outside and in. Thin tapered bands towards rear. Comfortable to wear. Deep field for enamel. Nice glassy black enamel used.. IF you have the opportunity to get one get it! IF I didn't have to pay for 2 weddings in one year one or both would still be mine! ;)

I have a second pattern and have been hunting for the first pattern for a long time. No luck yet! Anyone with a lead or one for sale please contact me

You're a lucky man.....Mike.

I love both them and hope one day?...to get my chance

Ric

Here original first type

This looks nothing at all like the first ring gaspare posted. First pattern what? I do not even see any runes. Is this a ring or a badge?

We can all agree on something ,,,, we can agree to disagree...

I've seen the above on eastern sites usually claiming they were ground dug.. I see nothing showing age that might want to look like dug. ..

The black was done incorrectly.. A copy or fantasy skull ring... ,G.

Here is a current eBay offering. Pure crap. Someone will buy it though, no doubt.

Thank you Gaspare for posting photos of two of my SS rings on here that come from your collection.
Actually on this photo you can see other two SS rings below that come from your collection as well.

Ado

. Weddings are expensive!.,,but something like those 4,,,you can't put a price on having them! [hope you got the boxes to!]

I'd rather have them then a few paperpusher HRs anyday,,,but that just me..

Black enamel SS rings are rare.. SAs too as they were out of favor pretty quick.. Other elite that can be rare/expensive , Paratrooper, Flyer, Unit rings.. Shame there aren't too many KM rings,,and when you do find them they're usually just an anchor..

Wonderful collection!

+1 most definitely! And I agree, the boxes are key- a must have, probably rarer than the rings!

Ahh yes Gaspare of course , they come with the boxes and the two COA provided by you which makes them even much more special!!! ;) As they came from you inside the boxes and with COAs as shown.

Great stuff!

Fantastic! What a great collection. Lucky man.

I welcome all participants of the forum. I am very surprised and disappointed that there are no real ring experts in this forum.
I sent the ring out for discussion. I didn't offer to sell it,didn't ask about originality. I know for sure that the ring is 100% original, I dug it up myself. But since forum members doubt this ring, please provide detailed flaws to explain what didn't like about this ring. I think that this forum brought together serious people, collectors, I want to hear specific claims, not empty words "I do not like this ring", could you explain what you said, dear forum participants . Due to the fact that the forum failed to load the pictures in high quality, photos via hosting. With respect.

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I had no doubt that this is the original :)

Don?t understand who are these people who are pushing these rings as originals now for years.
They were never original and they will never be original. These rings construction material and skull designs are just laughable thinking that an SS man in German would wear ring like this, these rings don?t look nothing like German made but East Europe or China made!!

There are only two examples with skull and runes that have been accepted for decades and they were posted by Gaspare and i believe he will tell you the same.

With respect- Ground dug is not a provenance. This is an opinion forum- as all forums really are if you think about it- and all opinions are welcome. I do not think there is any reason to insult the membership here as a bunch of guys without any expertise. These men here have spent countless hours and many years struggling to understand a rarer niche of the hobby. If respect is intended in the statement- then do not insult the members here if you are looking to show a period piece. My opinion is still that this is a fantasy piece. Why does this ring have a die struck appearance to the rear of the cartouche like so many westwall pieces, some ss, some army, etc- yet bears the same ring shank design as the solid backed jeweler handmade ss enamel piece bearing the first pattern skull and runes? Secondly why is there such a shoddy join seam and a commonly faked single digits 835? This ring appears to bear the characteristics of both a privately purchased piece along with a mass produced ring. Why? I have no horse in this race. If this was a period piece I would love to see more of it, but this is what we know- it is not a known pattern as of yet. I am willing to change my opinion with more proof than a ring sitting elegantly in a pile of dirt. But until then, this is my opinion.

Obviously it is Ados opinion as well- you may like him or dislike him I get that- but he has a wonderful ring collection one of the finest on the planet and I will be the first to defend it and I do also obviously agree with him about this ring. As far as motivation as ado mentions we have both been offered fake rings before. It is frustrating to us.

ostap...... Being ground dug is not a provenance,,even if you dug it... I've been to many digs in east Ukraine.. Seen my share of fakes come up from the ground..
Lets agree to one thing. 99% of the mass produced rings sold retail during the period were pressed. ..

Please explain how your ring has the indications of being pressed?

Mike like you said; Ground dug is not a provenance! but i would go one step further and say;That the ground dug is a first step to have suspicions!

There are few of us who are true to the authentic rings and then there a those who are trying to pass these frankenstein creations as authentic and we need to speak if we dont in few years they will start to pass them to new ring collectors as originals, and i would include into this new pattern of ground recovered rings showing up on sale. People need to understand that way they are hiding all the flaws and issues with the rings masking them as ground recovered.

Just stay away from so-called Ground Recovered Rings!!!

Ado is 100 percent on point with this. Please read the thread- this is a ring that is trying to by Ados first pattern skull runes. It is not. It is a fake. Thankfully I was able to find pictures of the exact same one for sale 2 years earlier. See the difference? It was planted in the ground for a couple years and brought up again. When is ring harvesting season again anyway? Ground dug first pattern

The photos are courtesy of Vince aka French Volunteer on WAF. Why is he not a moderator?? Imho he is excellent in many ways!!

do you think this ring was made? stamp? casting? engraving? maybe a 3D printer?

Yes Mike that is the ring i called on WAF estand where seller was trying to pass as ground recovered obviously lot of issues with that ring which i have pointed out in that WAF thread.

Ado

Good work ado- that was over $1000 usd on the ring!! You know I might have to use whatever modest moderator influence I have to suggest a jail a scumbag badge for you! Of course there was no actual jailing but the lot was in fact withdrawn. I think that is worth something in public- kudos!

Thanks Mike but that?s Ok no badge needed for me. My mission is just to make sure that all these rings made today don?t sell themselves as being made during or prior to Third Reich period!!

But Thanks anyways ;)
Ado

ostap, Welcome to the site..

, The ring has the indications of being cast. That would make it postwar... IF you think pressed/authentic we would all be happy to hear your reasons for it...

This is a forum. We might not always agree about things,,,but we talk about them...

Gaspare, point me to the photo for signs of low tide.

Hi ostap,
I do not think the phrase you are using makes sense in English. What does signs of low tide mean? To us it means exactly that- what you might see at the seashore, does it means signs of casting or casting flaws?