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Just back from eastern Europe and Egypt. While in Egypt I looked at a collection of edged weapons presented to Egypt's leaders over the centuries. Here is a dagger I ran into during the visit. The cases were very dimly lit and no flash was possible so pics are not great, but I think you can see it is a rare piece.

Crossguard. This dagger was with a group of items presented to King Farouk. If you remember he liked the flashy items. There has been discussion over the years as to if this dagger existed. Looks like an Eickhorn piece to me.

This is different than any piece that I have seen. The known pieces don't have this kind of detail

Vic:
Can you tell us exactly where this dagger is on display?
Jim

Looks like a lot of detail work on the crossguard. Houston are you saying you don't like it ?

The dagger is in the weapons museum on the Adbeen Palace Museum Complex. If you are at the Cairo Museum it is about 10 blocks west of the Nile River an easy walk. They have so much stuff.

I am saying it has a lot of detail-more than any of this type dagger I have seen. It could be a one of a kind. Considering where it is it would seem to be real.

The crossguard is completely different from any known original.
This beauty has extra hand enhancement, the eagle's wings and chest is absolutely superb.
I really love it and it is perhaps a "one of a kind" dagger as it was offered to King Farouk.

Due to the characteristic ferrule (you hardly can compare the crossguard ) I would tend to think it´s an ALCOSO dagger.
Oh yes, the charakteristic honey colored small swirl grip plates (EICKHORN to my best knowledge never had these) emphasize my impression of ALCOSO.
Regards,

I really don't think this piece is a "one of a kind" item due to the fact that it was assembled with a standard nickel insert. While this is with a group of Farouk items. Those named items presented to him personally are of a much higher quality. Here is one example of a named personally presented Farouk piece from Germany. You will recognize the crossguard.

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Diplo full

Vic,

Great shots,what a shame we can't find out who's dagger this was.

IN MY OPINION ALL DIPLOMATIC GOLD DAGGERS I HAVE SEEN HAVE NO WHERE NEAR AS MUCH DETAIL AS THIS ITEM.LOOKS LIKE AN EICKHORN TO ME AS YOU WOULD EXPECT THEY GO THE EXTRA MILE,MAYBE THE GUYS AT EICKHORN WERE NOT TOO KEEN ON DIPLOMATS,AND PREFERED THE GOVERNMENT,AS I AM SURE WE ALL DO HEHEHHEHEHEHEEEEEEEE,I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FREDS OPINION.
DIPLOMATT

I think somebody has not made his homework . A diplomat (no EICKHORN diplomat is known), the yellow colored small swirl grip plates (no yellow COLORED -not toned due to time- EICKHORN is known), such a ferrule with the small lines, the distinct carving on the front of the pommel (I have to admit that this is hard to recognize in the photographs), the small lipped scabbard mouth piece, the form of the oak wreath and the loops in it, the sleeve form of the scabbard ring holders, the not dramatically upturned crossguard ends, .... no way EICKHORN.
Regards,

I agree with with Wotan-Alcoso characteristics except for the detailed cross guard.

Alcoso, was always my favorite and I looked at a bunch, but I only liked a certain run. I hated the various Terradactyl heads that appeared on both Alcoso and Eickhorn crossguards. However, I do not like this crossguard for Alcoso. I wanted to ask one of Honsi Mubrak's guards to put down his Full Auto AK and flip the dagger around, but did't follow through.

When I'm in Egypt sometimes it pays to pay a little extra to get what you want. Just maybe it would've worked for you as well. Would've been worth a try anyway.

I've been to Egypt several times and you can usually get whatever you want with a bit of backchich.
It has worked all the time for me. I've even visited the Valley of the King all alone at night, with a private guide and some backchich.

Backchich simply means a bit of cash or a pack of Malboro cigarettes, they go crazy with it.

When in Egypt you cannot avoid backchich, I have learned the country runs on it!!

I think you mean "Bakseesh" or grease
Even if you stand upon the seat,the crabs in here can jump six feet.
Seiler

What ever it is it is a constant pain. Had these cases not been sealed I may have tried it. Actually my mission over there was to look at wootz bladed weapons for a project Hermann and I are researching, and I just stumbled on this piece which is out of my area of interest right now. I am sure one of you guys is resourceful enough to find out the maker on this ultra rare dagger, perhaps even cut a deal with the curator
to obtain it outright.

This is the second Gold Diplomatic I have seen over seas. The first one I mentioned in Johnson Vol V page 52. That was was an ALCOSO as I wrote the curator when I got home. The crossguard was exactly as pictured on page 49 except in gold. It looked nothing like this one. That museum was closed on my last trip to London, where is that dagger??

When I worked in Egypt, some "Baksheesh" made the hard to do very easy, and the impossible doable

I think we could probably buy that ultra rare Gold Diplomatic dagger in exchange of a case of Johnny Walker whisky.
When I was in Egypt, I had a couple of these small Johnny Walker bottles that you see on airplanes and let me tell you, the Egyptians went absolutely wild when seeing one of these being given as a "Bakseesh" gift.

Go get it Pat. I'm SURE it would be worth the trip.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Haaaaaaaaaa, I may need some Police backup.

Really interesting thanks for sharing Vic

Pat, Police back up will not be a problem they are everywhere, military police, traffic police, municipal police, secret police. This will be great, we will have something different to watch on CNN.

With "Bakseesh" being the most important and doable word, and every type of police everywhere, that speaks something about the honesty or corruption of their legal system.

I will say the police are not afraid to respond, there was automatic weapons fire in earshot of my downtown hotel last week. The drive by shooting of the Coptic Christians was solved in two days.