Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
I now have 4 different fire official daggers, all by Eickhorn.

From left to right, they are:

Double Oval Serrated tail over CE
35-41 seated squirrel model 527
Double Oval Serrated tail over CE variant
Double Oval Serrated tail over CE large sized

They all differ in pommel, grip, crossguard and in blade length.

the Four.JPG (50.23 KB, 239 downloads)
Four Hilts.JPG (50.93 KB, 237 downloads)
MVC-608S.JPG (50.21 KB, 237 downloads)

Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
Here is the first one, the shortest in blade length, with a plain rear crossguard and a relatively plain pommel.

Obverse.JPG (40.88 KB, 233 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (39.71 KB, 233 downloads)
Obverse Hilt.JPG (43.03 KB, 231 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (42.59 KB, 233 downloads)
Reverse Hilt.JPG (42.92 KB, 232 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (42.56 KB, 231 downloads)
TM dbl serr CE.JPG (43.36 KB, 231 downloads)

Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
This is my first fire dagger purchase, a very long and hefty bladed dagger with plain crossguards and a plain grip and plain pommel, but also a double oval serrated tail version.

It also has a wicked looking serrated blade.

Obverse.JPG (41.33 KB, 227 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.35 KB, 226 downloads)
Reverse Hilt.JPG (41.88 KB, 228 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (42.03 KB, 224 downloads)
Serrated Blade.JPG (41.54 KB, 225 downloads)
TM.JPG (48.89 KB, 225 downloads)

Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
This model 527 with the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

It has an embellished pommel, slant type grips, fancy crossguards and is similar in length to the large format plain serrated blade one I show in the previous post.

Obverse.JPG (39.64 KB, 227 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (39.79 KB, 225 downloads)
Obverse Hilt.JPG (41.79 KB, 223 downloads)
Reverse Hilt.JPG (42.69 KB, 225 downloads)
TM 35-41.JPG (42.73 KB, 225 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (41.45 KB, 223 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (41.64 KB, 225 downloads)

Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
This latest arrival has the longest blade, the fancy pommel, an interesting grip, fancy crossguard and a very rare early fire portapee.

It also sports the double oval serrated tail over CE TM.

What a great and interesting hobby!

John

Obverse.JPG (41.51 KB, 219 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (42.81 KB, 218 downloads)
Obverse Hilt.JPG (42.75 KB, 220 downloads)
Reverse Hilt.JPG (43 KB, 217 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (41.58 KB, 219 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (42.53 KB, 218 downloads)
TM dbl serr CE.JPG (47.33 KB, 221 downloads)
Fire Port.JPG (45.94 KB, 218 downloads)

Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
John,

As usual, your display of rare & unusual blades is terrific. I'm particularly loving this grouping because the Fire Official's dagger is a model that's close to my heart. It's astounding that you actually have two model 527s in your collection, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I particularly love the 527 because of its differences from the standard Fire Official's dagger. Unusual, obscure, rarely seen & just plain beautiful, at least to me.

The knot is also a thing of beauty, oh so rately seen. This is only the 2nd one I've seen in close to 20'years of collecting & studying these daggers. I own the other one I saw (which came on a presented WKC). Thanks for sharing these treasures.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,570
Likes: 27
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,570
Likes: 27
John,

Billy G. got it right.

Your collection is without parallel and I really enjoy seeing your posts. The Fire Oficial's daggers, as noted above, are not something you see very often.

If you plan to be at the MAX, let me know and I'll my 2 interesting Eicks

Thanks for showing

Dave

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
Dave:

I will not be at the MAX, but do plan to go to the SOS.


Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,017
E
Offline
E
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,017
John...I never did get into Fire Daggers. How do you tell a post war one?


Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. And remember the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
Rick:

Many of the same flags as on forestry/hunting daggers... maker mark, orientation of mark, stamped vs etched.

But, the best way I know is to simply ask Billy for advice wink

In this hobby, knowing who to talk to about things is the best insurance you can have.

John


Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,017
E
Offline
E
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,017
Thanks John....I just never got into them, i guess because there plain ( clover leaf model) but im looking at one now that is just to minty looking ( double oval trademark) . And those tradmarks just spook me. They look more like a rabbit,lol. Im assuming the cloverleaf model is the one that was still produced post war. But like i said im not knowledgle on these dagger.


Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. And remember the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
Rick:

That is the beauty of GDC and WAF. If you are not sure, post here and ask away. The people who do know post here regularly and are always willing to help.

John


Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
Offline
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
John,

I thought I would resurrect this older thread to mention that I have a Feuerwehr (FW) Officer dagger that is very similar to the first dagger that you show except mine has a plain clam shell. My dagger was made by Alexander Coppel with the "AC" marking on the edge of the ricasso as seen on some of the Coppel Seitengewehre. Do you know the Eickhorn catalog number for your FW dagger? I have no number for mine from the Coppel catalogs either but would like to know what it is.

FW dagger.JPG (60.08 KB, 166 downloads)
FW dagger scabbard.JPG (47.88 KB, 166 downloads)
FW dagger hilt.JPG (73.69 KB, 166 downloads)
FW dagger hilt back.JPG (56.87 KB, 165 downloads)
FW dagger blade.JPG (64.74 KB, 167 downloads)

"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
ORPO, nice fire officer dagger you show. Those sawtooth versions are wicked looking for sure.

The model numbers in order of my pictures here are 42, 537 (35-41 Mark), 537 variant and 743.

John

Obverse.JPG (34.36 KB, 141 downloads)
Obverse.JPG (33.29 KB, 141 downloads)
Obverse.JPG (34.61 KB, 141 downloads)
Obverse.JPG (34.51 KB, 140 downloads)

Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
Offline
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
Thanks John. I appreciate the catalog number for your Eickhorn 743. These things are just massive compared to their much narrower siblings.

George


"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
George, the best thing about the 743 is that it came from Craig Gottlieb and was really cheap, significantly less than the traditional etched blade fire dagger.

J


Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
Offline
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by JohnZ
George, the best thing about the 743 is that it came from Craig Gottlieb and was really cheap, significantly less than the traditional etched blade fire dagger.

J


I got mine (fairly cheaply) from a picker that I buy from at SOS. I was happy to pick it up.




"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Here's my Eickhorn Feuerwehr lineup:

#743 with triple oval mark and presented blade
#42 with back to back squirrels mark
#778 with triple oval mark
#527 with single oval mark

IMG_6247.JPG (51.29 KB, 87 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
And a crossguard shot of the same pieces.

IMG_6248.JPG (48.85 KB, 86 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
Now, Billy, while wonderful, I really think that these blades would be much happier in Canada.

John


Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,712
Likes: 6
Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,712
Likes: 6
Billy

Lets see some more of the presentation Sawback.

Gary

Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,570
Likes: 27
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,570
Likes: 27
I'd love to see more of that third one

Dave

Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Eickhorn Model #778

IMG_9694.JPG (56.75 KB, 76 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Pommel Obverse

IMG_9696.JPG (63.62 KB, 75 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Pommel Reverse

IMG_9698.JPG (60.13 KB, 74 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Crossguard Obverse

IMG_9695.JPG (61.48 KB, 72 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Triple oval maker's mark

IMG_9703.JPG (47.05 KB, 69 downloads)

GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,570
Likes: 27
Online Content
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 14,570
Likes: 27
Thanks,

Dave

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
JohnZ Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,794
Likes: 15
That is fabulous, B.


Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
Offline
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,135
Likes: 2
That Nr. 778 is fabulous Billy. I love it.


"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Offline
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 5,043
Likes: 14
Thank you Gents. Not mint by any means, but a very difficult model to acquire in any condition. It took me perhaps 15 years of looking to find a reasonable specimen.

The 3R maker mark was the icing on the cake. Another thing that was quite unusual with this example is the long blade length, considering that the trend as time went on was for shorter blades on these sidearms. I don't remember the blade length of this one offhand but it's the longest one in my collection. Probably 22" or so.


GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310

Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,217,265 SS Bayonets
1,716,237 Teno Insignia Set
1,080,643 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
Real german Heer sword ???
by Cotoroanta - 06/20/2022 07:13 PM
Real german Heer sword ???
by Cotoroanta - 06/20/2022 05:51 PM
VERY RARE DOUBLE-ETCH
by Von Ryan - 06/19/2022 06:48 PM
Dakring 1942 without Swastica
by benten - 06/19/2022 06:46 PM
Quality Reproduction
by ABTmRw - 06/18/2022 12:55 AM
Latest New Posts
Real german Heer sword ???
by ORPO - 06/24/2022 03:00 PM
Imperial artillery lion head... with doll's eyes
by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) - 06/23/2022 09:17 PM
Luft visors and things!
by pvon - 06/23/2022 06:44 PM
Reference Books for Sale
by JohnZ - 06/23/2022 12:30 AM
Real german Heer sword ???
by ORPO - 06/22/2022 06:46 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,185
Posts323,133
Members7,172
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
11 members (Tanker, Vern, Jonesy, seany, Dave, Sarcasmos, Nietzsche, ed773, colt, Documentalist, benten), 40 guests, and 99 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5