#37708
04/14/2009 03:16 PM
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Since John Jozef was kind enough to bring this to our attention and I hadn't seen it for myself I figured to go ahead and post this interesting looking sword for everyone to have a peek at. Asking price is 2.5 million from the person who has it. Any thoughts or comments on this thing and since it is Damascus, would love to hear from our damascus and sword experts. Pictures are available on this site. Sword
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#37709
04/14/2009 04:05 PM
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Link doesnt work for me but Beerhallputsch is a renown perveyor of dubious TR items caveat emptor my friend
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#37710
04/14/2009 04:27 PM
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#37711
04/14/2009 04:51 PM
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Mikee, Does not work for me either. Can you copy pictures and send out that way? Thanks, JB
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#37712
04/14/2009 08:07 PM
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Not working for me either now and getting no link to that site,strange!
Pictures are to small when posting but on his site you can enlarge them by just clicking on them. I have all the pictures but when I enlarge them the quality is very bad. I will keep trying.
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#37713
04/14/2009 09:07 PM
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Try going directly to : http://beerhallputsch.comThe sword should be the first thing you see. If not, click on 'Goering Industrial Sword' in the left hand column. The pictures do enlarge as Mikee pointed out. This item was discussed somewhat extensively on another forum.
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#37714
04/15/2009 12:52 AM
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The website is down, he must have sold it and packed his bags  .
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#37715
04/15/2009 01:44 AM
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Here's 12 pics from the site - if not permitted, can someone please remove? Pics are re-sized to fit here, they're much larger on the website.
Regards
Russ
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#37716
04/15/2009 01:45 AM
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04/15/2009 01:45 AM
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04/15/2009 01:46 AM
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04/15/2009 01:46 AM
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04/15/2009 01:46 AM
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04/15/2009 01:47 AM
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04/15/2009 01:48 AM
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04/15/2009 01:48 AM
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04/15/2009 01:50 AM
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04/15/2009 01:51 AM
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04/15/2009 01:51 AM
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#37727
04/15/2009 05:26 AM
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Here's a few more to feast on. Great looking sword! Hope we don't get any viruses for posting these pictures!
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#37728
04/15/2009 05:28 AM
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#37729
04/15/2009 05:29 AM
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#37730
04/15/2009 08:15 AM
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Who on earth would want to pay $2.5m US for this thing?...I've no problem with it's originality but come on, It's just another one of those many, "we love you Herman" offerings gifted to the man at the time which has no real relevance to main stream TR collecting! The sword itself is not very remarkable, and frankly for 2.5 million you could put together a complete and superb collection of just about all the variations of dagger/sword out there! So what would you prefer, a beatiful and comprehensive collection or this ugly lump?.....Cheers!!!
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#37731
04/15/2009 12:54 PM
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I have to agree, might be tempted at around a tenth of the price but that's as far as it would go
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#37732
04/15/2009 01:04 PM
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What this sword is worth is a moot point. I arbitrarily put a estimated value of $1 Million on it when it first surfaced.
However; I would be interested in opinions as to how the inscription was formed. Since it too is damascus I believe it was formed as part of the forging process and I think that's clear. Was the "waste" material around each letter then acid etched away to form the letters?
Jim
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#37733
04/15/2009 02:04 PM
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I agree, 2.5 million would get one great collection as to owning this thing. I will admit, I'm curious as to how the inscription was done too, which is about the only interesting thing about this sword in my opinion.
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#37734
04/15/2009 03:10 PM
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Ridiculous price !  The nicest and most desirable of all TR swords was sold last year to a Russian collector for $ 1 million USD. The artifact was the Sepp Dietrich Damascus Honor sword.  How could this sword be worth more ? 
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#37735
04/15/2009 05:37 PM
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It would be nice to see a closeup of the last 10 inches of the blade. As I suspect it has been redone. , (the lettering is just hand cut no mystery there). Or even rough machined out on a deckel (nice German pantograph) first..
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#37736
04/15/2009 05:46 PM
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I can think of a lot nicer items to spend 2.5 million on. This sword is unique, but actually does not do a thing for me.
Bob
robert grant
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#37737
04/15/2009 05:51 PM
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quote: Originally posted by bgrelics:
I can think of a lot nicer items to spend 2.5 million on. This sword is unique, but actually does not do a thing for me.
Bob
..........if it only had a swaztika on it. 
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#37738
04/15/2009 07:12 PM
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Some of you guys crack me up! How would thirteen inches make you feel!
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#37739
04/15/2009 07:13 PM
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#37740
04/15/2009 07:15 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Mikee: Some of you guys crack me up! How would thirteen inches make you feel!
My wife would be extremelly happy, I can tell you that much.
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#37741
04/15/2009 09:53 PM
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Very different taper on those last few inches compared to swords of that style..I really think it had a broken tip at one time.. Opinion only..
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#37742
04/15/2009 09:59 PM
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Pat,Haaa! Maybe you should invite me over one day, ha! only kidding! Would be more of a novelty than a tool right! Stop it now,you guys are killing me! DAMAST, You have to stop talking like that around Pat. He starts dreamin of bigger ideas! Site is back up, I think. I just tried and didn't make it. Keep trying! The price mentioned is wrong, I inquired and it is a bit more than that. So which one of you told him how rich I was! 
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#37743
04/16/2009 02:18 AM
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quote: It would be nice to see a closeup of the last 10 inches of the blade. As I suspect it has been redone. (the lettering is just hand cut no mystery there). Or even rough machined out on a deckel (nice German pantograph) first.
While trying to get a better look at how the lettering was done I noticed something.
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#37744
04/16/2009 02:18 AM
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Is the blade delaminating in a couple of places? FP
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#37745
04/16/2009 02:31 AM
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Fred,
Always great to get your eyes envolved because if you can't see it, it can't be seen. Is this a cold shut? Thanks.
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#37746
04/16/2009 02:56 AM
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MIkee, Thats a very good possibility. If you look where I placed the a its almost like a scab of metal (there might be a better word - but it escapes me at the moment) is lifting away from blades surface. With a possible fracture line at very slightly over a right angle from the one I first pointed at on the left. With another questionable area where the ? is located. Not proven - but the blade shows some areas which need a much closer look (IMO). With my Best Regards, FP
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#37747
04/16/2009 08:05 PM
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Everyone can judge for themselves how serious of a defect that this might be. But when I did a little better enlargement of just this one image there seems to be an even more pronounced separation than I first thought. Is there a period record of this specific blade ever actually being given to Göring? FP
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