Translate German to English - Click here to open Altavista's Babel Fish Translator Click here to learn about all those symbols by people's names.

leftlogo.jpg (20709 bytes)

Upgrade to Premium Membership

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#333932 12/10/2017 07:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
wotan Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
Dear collector friends! I could observe a mysterious marking on SS Degens. At least on three of them.
All three are all obviously very early, pure nickle silver Degens.
All three have the proper SS marking in oktogon on scabbard mouth and knucklebow.

So have any of you observed such markings on further SS degens or other SS items and does any of you know or can at least reasonably explain what the marking (imho a chamber marking, but of which unit???) says?
Thank you in advance, regards,

a.JPG (70.97 KB, 316 downloads)

wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 102
K
Offline
K
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 102
Yep, saw that on Unterfuhrer degens only ... I sent photos of one to Thomas Johnson a while back and he confirmed they were unit markings ...

Regards

K.

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
wotan Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
Thank you very much for this information! I will try to get additional details from TMJ.
Regards,


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
Offline
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
Correct period markings, (IMO) they were so marked probably because those swords would have been loaned by the SS from time to time to enable the wearer to perform their assigned duties, as is also seen with some Luftwaffe swords etc. Best Regards, Fred

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
wotan Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
Originally Posted By: Fred Prinz - FP
Correct period markings, (IMO) they were so marked probably because those swords would have been loaned by the SS from time to time to enable the wearer to perform their assigned duties, as is also seen with some Luftwaffe swords etc. Best Regards, Fred


Hello Fred, thank you for contribution. These are the same thoughts I do have. from special interest would be which unit (clotz chamber) did use to mark their degen this way. It should be certain as there are only few of these marked degens around.
Regards,


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 151
B
Offline
B
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 151
It looks to me like they were all stamped with the same die set. Which to me would mean that they all belonged to one arms room.

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
wotan Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
wotan Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
Originally Posted By: Kurt_Menliff
Yep, saw that on Unterfuhrer degens only ... I sent photos of one to Thomas Johnson a while back and he confirmed they were unit markings ...

Regards

K.


Hello Kurt_Menliff, as said I did contact LTC Johnson but unfortunately he could not remember having had any such discussion with you. Is it possible that you did discuss it with the-other-Tom Wittman???


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 102
K
Offline
K
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 102
Hello

Yes, that was the other Tom : here is the message and the photos



Thank you for the email and the pictures of the SS NCO Degen. Yes, this Degen appears original and it is an early piece. The number stamped on the throat, "6" or "9" would indicate that possibly the Degen remained the property of the SS and was loaned to NCO's when required. I doubt that the troddel is from this Degen, but it is original.

Good luck with this piece.

Best,

Thomas T. Wittmann

[img:center][/img]

[img:center][/img]

[img:center][/img]

[img:center][/img]

[img:center][/img]

Regards

K.

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
wotan Offline OP
OP Offline
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,889
Likes: 17
Hello Kurt_Menliff, I see you have already posted the certain pics. Thank you for this.
It is an interesting marking but obviously (imho) a different cloth chamber as the number is stamped transverse and is missing the colon. Also uit seems to be a later steel/nickled version of the degen in contrary to the pure nicke degens with the other stamp.
But, for me, without any doubt also a cloth chamber marking.

So now I do look for two units whose cloth chambers did use such stampings wink .

Do/did you own this nice NCO degen?

Thank you for showing!
Regards,


wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 166
Offline
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 166
Rack numbers.


Link Copied to Clipboard
Popular Topics(Views)
2,226,301 SS Bayonets
1,726,542 Teno Insignia Set
1,088,709 westwall rings
Latest New Threads
What day is it anyway!!!!
by ed773 - 12/08/2022 12:09 AM
Enamel badge from hitler youth dagger?
by Djp - 12/06/2022 08:48 AM
Neu aus Deutschland
by VEBSCHNEIDWAREN - 12/06/2022 06:44 AM
Gravity knife parts wanted
by Robidoo - 12/05/2022 07:07 PM
Help needed please
by Dudgeon - 12/04/2022 08:53 AM
Latest New Posts
Black Grip SA
by Billy G. - 12/09/2022 01:51 AM
Show Your Variant SS Hangers
by Dave - 12/08/2022 07:23 PM
What day is it anyway!!!!
by ed773 - 12/08/2022 01:04 PM
Verlangerungsmesser
by C. Wetzel-20609 - 12/07/2022 07:42 PM
Neu aus Deutschland
by ed773 - 12/07/2022 12:38 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics31,336
Posts324,688
Members7,266
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
Who's Online Now
7 members (Dutch, Glenn Jager, ker9898, Texasuberalles, 3226, Billy G., Vern), 76 guests, and 49 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5