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#330517 07/19/2017 04:22 PM
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Hi guys,


I bought is yesterday this LW ring.
Opinions are welcome.

Best regards,
Sergey

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can't see a joint mark, I could be wrong but it looks cast

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joint

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On these types of rings it is sometimes difficult to see the joint mark.
This is not a silver ring.
It is an alloy of yellow metal with silver coating.
If the silver coating to erase that joint mark will be seen well )))

Sergey 65 #330528 07/19/2017 06:45 PM
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Doesn't look real bad.
But the fault at the swas looks also not a fault in strucking to me.
At least very questionable.
More and better pics of the back side are maybe helpful.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I see it now

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Ok...for me now after some comparing work without any doubt a well made fake.
I am sorry for you.
Hope you will get your money back.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I do not understand what you do not like guys. Silver coating darkened and is in his native patina. The fact that the ring is made a stamp is obvious.

My 'West wall' ring that I showed earlier also looked, until I washed off his patina. By the way he does not see the joint mark.

http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthread...2896#Post302896

Sergey 65 #330532 07/19/2017 07:47 PM
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I don`t want to hurt you Sergey, but for me there are a lot clear differences to a sure period one.
So for me a fake.
Just my personal opinion.
Maybe other guys have other opinions.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
Sergey 65 #330533 07/19/2017 08:05 PM
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Odal,

what kind of metal is your ring?

Sorry, If you compare, what you showed, then the fake looks more like your ring.
What I see in your ring is a certain degree of wear. But why do not I see yellow metal in places of wear and tear. My ring is in mint condition. My ring has no wear at all. Can it bother you? But it happens, because not all rings lie in the ground :-)

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Brass with silver plating and the plating is worn of in parts.
Look at the tip of left wing.

And yes, not all ring came from the ground. Some are made in last time.

Be happy with and enjoy it that is the most important.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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hi members
hello sergey just was looking at your luft ring and i have to agree with odel its a fake copy i could see the joint seem where it was cut i think that seem was cut deliberatly not like most german ww2 rings was removed from fallen soldiers then we see the seems that was cut to resize the ring but this is not the case here . odel is right on target here with this newly made fake luft ring and he has great judgement please try and take in to concideration that odel nor me have no dogs in this fight we are only telling you what we see and to also try and get your hard earned rubels back thats if you believe our experence eyes or not if you still persist that the previous owner has your ear then so be it what can we say these rings are tempting probly because they are a lower price to intice you to buy hope you can bring this ring back and this is my experenced opinion god bless andy militarianut

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Thank you guys for your opinions. I appreciate your experience and opinions and do not want the discussion to turn into an embittered debate. I can easily return my money without problems. But at the same time I do not want to you make an error in the otributatsii this ring.
Let's see a few more photos and compare.
I marked the red with suspicious points. Maybe Odal will be kind and give a photo of a similar angle of his ring.

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As an assumption. But there could be different manufacturers of this type of brass rings. They have never been maker mark. Perhaps this is the reason for the difference between different samples IMO.

Can someone else show their samples of similar types of rings for comparison.

Your opinions please.

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Is this the sergey the one from the Facebook ring-group?!

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Originally Posted By: Mark4321
Is this the sergey the one from the Facebook ring-group?!


No, I'm not

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Originally Posted By: Sergey 65
As an assumption. But there could be different manufacturers of this type of brass rings. They have never been maker mark. Perhaps this is the reason for the difference between different samples IMO.



Could be possible but i don`t believe in.
Sure is that the both rings shown in the comparison pic are made with different dies.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Originally Posted By: odal
Originally Posted By: Sergey 65
As an assumption. But there could be different manufacturers of this type of brass rings. They have never been maker mark. Perhaps this is the reason for the difference between different samples IMO.



Could be possible but i don`t believe in.
Sure is that the both rings shown in the comparison pic are made with different dies.



Odal, then you think that my ring is made with a dies?

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I think it is not a unique handmade piece.
So you need to make more than one of exact same items at least a kind of die, a mold .....or similar.

Hope you understand what i want to tell...my english istn`t real as good as i wish.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Originally Posted By: odal
I think it is not a unique handmade piece.
So you need to make more than one of exact same items at least a kind of die, a mold .....or similar.

Hope you understand what i want to tell...my english istn`t real as good as i wish.



I understood you, thanks.

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Guys, there are so many experts here.
Please more opinions and remarks etc. ....

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hi sergey
boy you are a hard guy to convince beings there are so many ring experts here at gdc and free advice try another forum they might give you a more positive answer on your not so good luftwaffe ring if you get lucky there and do get a more experenced ring expert to give you what you want let us know sorry if your not satisfied with these ring experts here well have a nice day anyways andy militarynut

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Hi Milytarynut,

thanks for your thoughts and ideas. I will take note.

I just want to show here for comparison two rings.
One of them you recognized a few years ago as original. In my opinion they are very similar in type of manufacture.You don't notice?

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Originally Posted By: Militarynut
hi sergey
boy you are a hard guy to convince beings there are so many ring experts here at gdc and free advice try another forum they might give you a more positive answer on your not so good luftwaffe ring if you get lucky there and do get a more experenced ring expert to give you what you want let us know sorry if your not satisfied with these ring experts here well have a nice day anyways andy militarynut


Originally Posted By: Militarynut
hi sergey
boy you are a hard guy to convince beings there are so many ring experts here at gdc and free advice try another forum they might give you a more positive answer on your not so good luftwaffe ring if you get lucky there and do get a more experenced ring expert to give you what you want let us know sorry if your not satisfied with these ring experts here well have a nice day anyways andy militarynut


Militarynut,

I can advise you to seek consultation to Weitze.Because this ring was bought 5 years ago by my acquaintance from him.

A nice day to.
Sergey

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hi sergey
just so that you get my e mail correctly to you listen up please i dont consult you or any dealers you mentioned it could be fifteen years this still does not mean the ring is good its still a newly made copy i could care less who you or your friend bought this luft ring from take it back and get a refund or keep it as a period made ring and be happy i also buy from above named dealer but the only difference between me and your friend is i know what is real period and what is not we are not here to judge wrongly but just to try and help people like you a non believer but hey like i said before if the heat is to much in the kitchen then get out before you get burned i rest my case have a great day any way andy militarynut

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Again a thread that's growing to a monster.
Boys, let's go back to the stuff-the topic starting ring.
Maybe still some other guys with an opinion about here.

This second ring. The Westwall one.
Can't remember that someone called it good.
The pics this time in the Westwall thread were rather small. If it comes from the same source as the Luft ring i would be meanwhile sceptical and would suggest you, only if you are interested, a closer comparison with for sure period ones in a separate thread.
So, if you are interested feel free to Start this thread with some clear large pics of the details.
Thanks



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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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