#35288
08/11/2009 07:16 PM
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Hi ,
I have land Customs dagger in very bad condition. As you can see from the photos attached the dagger is almost ruin. In this respect I have several opportunities:
1.-To throw the dagger in the basket. My our opinion is that it�s pity to destroy one piece from the history.
2,.- To dismantle the dagger and to sell the pommel ,the grip and the ferrule � there are in perfect condition.
3.-To tray to find new cross guard and blade and to replace the old ones and to repair the scabbard � to change the fittings, / I found the new fittings in a dealer site / to replace the leather etc. The problem is that I don�t like part daggers.
4.-To try, as much as possible to restore the dagger � to clean a little bit the blade, to repair the scabbard and the hardest to find some way to restore the cross guard.
In order to take my decision I need your opinions.
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#35289
08/11/2009 07:20 PM
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The question is what you have to do with all others military items which have been found in same terrible condition.
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#35290
08/12/2009 09:57 PM
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Imo it should be left as it is as a piece of history.
At the best use som renaissance wax on the blade and the scabbard fittings.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#35291
08/12/2009 10:30 PM
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It can be restored, I am guessing someone allready releathered the grip. The Crossguard is the challenge but then again denazified it speaks to the period.
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#35292
08/13/2009 02:07 AM
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I do believe this is an original dagger, however I am surprised people have not jumped on it. Many people feel, unjustly, when the lines go all the way around the scabbard fittings as they do here it is a sign of a fake. I know this is not true but it is accepted as law from my experience.
Best Wishes,
Bob
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#35293
08/13/2009 02:42 AM
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Bob,
How do you know the scabbard fittings on this one have lines all the way around? Am I missing something?
GDC Gold Badge #290
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#35294
08/13/2009 04:03 AM
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Hi Billy!
Isn't the first picture the revere side of the scabbard? I could be wrong but it looks this way to me.
Bob
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#35295
08/13/2009 09:05 AM
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It is the scabbard�s obverse, exactly like in the second pic. Due to a ot of features seen in these only two pics (form of fittings, material, leather graining and and) I had no doubt about originallity concerning the dagger.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#35296
08/13/2009 11:07 AM
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Thanks very much for your comments and advises.
The scabbard lines are not all the way around.
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#35297
08/13/2009 12:09 PM
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Wotan, I�m afraid that regarding the scabbard I haven�t any choice due to the fact that if I want to safe the original remained leather I have to stop the rust. As you can see from the picture the due to the rust the leather is detached from the scabbard. I think the best way is to remove carefully the original leather ,to clean the steel scabbard and than to replace the leather
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#35298
08/13/2009 12:31 PM
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Likesadetrade, I�m not sure if or when the leather of the grip have been replaced, but if it�s true it was very professional job.
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#35299
08/13/2009 12:32 PM
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#35300
08/13/2009 12:33 PM
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#35301
08/13/2009 12:56 PM
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Agreed the grip leather looks original.
Better pics tell the story.
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#35302
08/14/2009 01:38 AM
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I guess this means I had a backwards day?!
Best Wishes,
Bob
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#35303
08/14/2009 08:15 AM
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pesho, you are right, the scabbard isn�t in the best shape. Nevertheless, after perhaps clening the scabbard carefully I would think about putting the remaining pieces of leather and not releathering it. I am a dagger-purist  concerning restoration. BUT the dagger never will come into it�s original factory left condition and also will not change it�s worth remarkably. Why simply let it be? It is what it is and this is a TRUE piece of history. Any substancial change throws away decades.It will be just one of the thousands of edged wapons which have been messed with which do lay around at each show and nobody cares. Just my personal thoughts. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#35304
08/14/2009 07:50 PM
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Hi Wotan,
I�m fully agree with you and I have an idea after cleaning the scabbard to put back the original remained leather .I haven�t any clear idea what to do next:
- to leave these empty spaces with missing leather and visible steel on the scabbard?
- to paint these visible steel spaces with similar green color?
- to try to cover very carefully and precision these empty spaces with similar green leather.
- Comments and advises will be highly appreciated
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#35305
09/12/2009 01:39 PM
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Hi friends,
Thank very mush to all of your. Your advises were highly appreciated. I had thought a couple of weeks before I took my final decision. Just today I have finished the restoration of the scabbard / I have some small things to do later / and I�m in a hurry to share with you the result of my efforts.
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#35306
09/12/2009 01:44 PM
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The original leather has been remaind and the restoration is only on the place with missing leather
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#35307
09/12/2009 01:46 PM
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I had been working for more that 2 weeks on the restoration, but I�m satisfied be the result
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