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Hi guys, I thought this might help some of us beginners out to learn how to recognize a fake ring! :-)
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LOL! Indeed... but a nice example to learn from, no? :-)
It shows about all the typical characteristics of a fake...
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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Wirklich echt, HAHAHA! :-D
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That is one ugly looking thing .
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your right,,an easy one to check out: I will show one way,,so lets get started: Best is to match up to a authentic example of the same pattern. Best, but not always possible! Next is common sense. When something looks flashy, brite, brand new,,,,it usually is!  Now,, after those ,,You will see a line [a fault] that goes just about all the way around the ring. Right across the face even. This line, fault, shows it was cast. That it came from a rubber mold.. Please do a internet search at this point on 'Investment Casting'. It is a easy search. Look at the photo here. The fault is the separation line from the rubber mold.. End of story,,a cast ring.. We all wish they were this easy! There are other 'tells' maybe another member will show these.
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The fault is the separation line from the rubber mold.. End of story,,a cast ring.. We all wish they were this easy!
Even after worst casting normally these fault lanes are removed. So you will see them only in two cases - if ring is that bad it does not even pretend to be original and maker does not gives a ...what it looks like or maker simply forgot to remove it. There are Lots of cast signs on that ring, starting from blurry details and casting balls etc So in my opinion every collector before he spends his hard earned money on anything ww2 German related MUST learn and understand period and modern manufacturing methods in details.
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I'm not the one to point out these details, maybe, since I'm just a complete beginner, but isn't another sign the fact that the area behind the skull is solid? As I understand it, in a die struck original this should be hollow, with a sort of 'negative' of the skull showing on the backside..
UNLESS, as in some cases, the skull is soldered on later as in a two piece ring, in which case the skull is definitely and obviously hollow.
Am I on the right track? :-o
Mark
PS Gee, this is Fun! :-D
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Correct me if I am wrong , I believe some wartime rings were solid back , and some were solid back with hollow skull attached .
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These are usually 2 good signs- but as the experts are saying there are die struck rings of correct period pattern out there because the dies are still out there- at least 2 or 3 of our members have these dies and have posted pics of them. Hap owns period presses as well. Guys - presses are those things that DO NOT fit in your pocket. (Or, as Mrs. Hapur has suggested, not in her garden either,..lol!) look up the thread for a read u won't regret.,, gonna quote Gaspare here: be careful! Post ur questionable rings- it's s great forum and knowledge base we have here...!
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Correct me if I am wrong , I believe some wartime rings were solid back , and some were solid back with hollow skull attached . Hmmmm... again: I'm just a complete beginner, but right now I can't really see how that is possible in die struck rings. Either its a flat band on the inside that has an extra -hollow- skull attached on the outside, OR it has the negative imprint inside. How else could it be possible? I can't see that, but hey! What do I know, maybe I'm missing something here! Mark
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These are usually 2 good signs- but as the experts are saying there are die struck rings of correct period pattern out there because the dies are still out there- at least 2 or 3 of our members have these dies and have posted pics of them. Hap owns period presses as well. Guys - presses are those things that DO NOT fit in your pocket. (Or, as Mrs. Hapur has suggested, not in her garden either,..lol!) look up the thread for a read u won't regret.,, gonna quote Gaspare here: be careful! Post ur questionable rings- it's s great forum and knowledge base we have here...! Hi Byzanti, which thread is that? :-)
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