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#314563 01/04/2016 11:24 AM
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hello , I am still learning the way to authenticate German rings , would this ring be of WW1-WW2 era German die struck original ?












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Well known period pattern that exists in different skullsizes and hallmarks.
And not real rare.
Pics are not the best, but i can see no clear visible faults.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Thankyou odal . Learning more each day , always pays to ask someone more experienced.

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Agree with odal nice,fairly common - see no big issues .. I have 3 of that pattern on ring in the new year thread... A great starter piece for sure

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Thankyou , for the prompt responses

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Nice example..

Be warned though, the same seller is auctioning fantasy examples too.

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I'm also want to buy this ring but I was confused about ring inside. Those place where it should be relief it is flat.

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As told.
There exist different ones of this pattern.
Different size and different hallmarking.
Some have the hallmarking arised inside the skull. And some have it in the band.
I own 2 mint ones of this pattern, sure original from old stock here in Germany.
Both have the hallmark in band.
A large skull and a small skull. The small one is plain inside the band. Only skull is hollow.

The large one looks inside exact like the backsite view of the ring shown above.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Ring is cast, as well as other fantasy and copy rings that seller sells. Hope no one from here bought it.

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There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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Originally Posted By: hapur
Ring is cast, as well as other fantasy and copy rings that seller sells. Hope no one from here bought it.


From wich ring you talk? First or last one shown?

Pics are bad on both. But first one has similar backsite than a sure die struck original.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I speak about first ring from auction.


There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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I don't like these points.

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There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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I think The_Collector bought it. Because ring is sold. Ring is strange because it doesn't have hallmarks inside the skull or shank.

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Yes I did purchase it from the positive comments I got here . So the first ring I posted is it ok ? Looks die struck ?

Yes I agree not all rings he has listed look ok but this one had a good chance .

This is the listing

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/272092113503?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


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Like Svenga said earlier rest of rings that seller sells/sold are fake/fantasy items sold as real thing. That should make you look really careful on anything you do buy from him. Imho today's ring is also bad.

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There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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Ok first 3 members said it Was original and now you say it's 100% cast fake ?
From the backside there is no way that could be cast , can it not be die artifacts during stamping process

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No one said that this is original. Hapur showed questionable places which looks like a cast. I'm also believe that this ring is fake

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Well I recognize the pattern for sure, but there should be a hint of a join seam in the rear, even if it looks polished up - it should be evident... It's possible there's wear on the inner marks, but if you are seeing casting evidence, it's not good- it was a die struck ring... Doesn't mean it's perfect, but recognizable.. I can't really say one way or the other.,, all I see is the eyes look a tad different-

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thankyou for the further comments

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Interesting thread.
I think real good pics are in this case the key and will tell the truth.
And i hope you will get no problems giving back if its a cast fake.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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hi guys
mr. hapar you are sharp as a tack when it comes to period made rings and fakes you hit the nail on the head great eyes and your expertise i also hope that this new ring collector gets his money back most of the time when your dealing with auctions you can kiss your hard earned money good by but when you buy from a guy like me and several outhers that guarentee your money back no questions asked this is why my reputation is priceless thanks dad my father taught me your hand shake is bond or else and 76 years later he is still right best andy militarynut

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Let us know how the show goes this weekend, Andy- have a great time!

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I just messed up my last best post. Why not bring back scull schule and the posts that made GDC instead of this

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The ring has been relisted and refund is on the way. I emailed seller before he sent it.

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Strange is that he has another one exactly the same for sale smile

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the seller has just about every German pattern ever made! The tip off for me is they are slightly shallow,,details not as sharp. The ring that started this topic I say would fool 99% of us. It is his best one..Got to keep an eye on him,,he'll be getting better if he continues!
I would not want to be starting out again!

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My heart skipped a beat when I spotted the gorrilla skull!!..

The seller 'claims' he is selling up and has ceased collecting, and has many many more to come.

The gorilla one almost fooled me but a good forum friend corrected me sharply! The rest have issues.. Sulphur patina, bad markings, pitting and fuzzy detail.. Or simply just fantasy.

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G is this the seller I was asking about? They are all propped up in the same box? The dak was pretty close to convincing- but noticed the lozenge was obliterated.

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yes triggerself it is same ring , he said he has many more........


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