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I have serious doubts about this ring. Can You please judge if this one is a period piece or a fantasy?

I think fantasy....last months this pattern grows in russian Forums. They say struck from stainless steel.

I wouldn`t want it in Collection.

It is offered for $4800

We had this ring shown on the old forum here [now gone]. And then again.. We discussed much about it.
Some say the ring only appeared after the breakup of the USSR.
And, yes it is made from a very hard material claimed to be stainless steel. There are members here who have them in their collection. I forgot,,is it magnetic stainless?

Seeing the ring and knowing the hard material I wonder how it is produced.. Again, I don't know it all, none of us do .,,but this ring has never been a favorite of mine..

Some claim to have dug examples. Sorry no disrespect but I personally dealt with diggers. When it comes to money and putting food on their tables weird things happen..

SO, if we're going to talk about this ring lets get some things out of the way first:

Is it magnetic stainless?
Are there any hallmarks in it?
Is there a join line/sizing line on it? [there appears to be a break or cut to rear of band]

All I know it is magnetic and no markings inside. And one more important thing. This rings are only in Russian collections and only there they were digged. I think if for 5 years Germans were in Poland why none of Polish digger have never found one of these ?

That really doesn't sound good or look right - really looks like a modern piece done with a cnc machine. Just my thoughts after covering a class last week for the wood/metals/robotics teacher who's been out for a while...(mr. Fonzarelli I believe..

))) Odal I'm ready buy it "fantasy", if you can help me ))))

There is untill now no sure evidence that this ring exists in period. The only examples of this pattern came from russia in last years.
Unusual material, and and and......
So for me it is mostobvious that this is fantasy

Show me this kind of ring on period pictures in wear or any period advertising on them.

hi members
good morning to all just looking at gotliebs ring here in my humble opinion i would say this to me there is several red flags here about being period done number one the materal metal used here is like a high polished metal the shank of this ring deliberatly cut shows the casting and a heavy plateing did this ring exist possibly but not made with this metal perhaps silber over brass as odel says no dna no conviction im sorry i just dont like it only because its not period done hope all agrees thats my honest opinion happy new year andy militarynut

2 Gottlieb
Let me know where it ring sale, I wanna buy it ;-)

I am also willing to buy the ring

Contact Maxim Naydenow on Facebook from Murmansk.

Evgeniy ,, I know you a long time. And I'm pretty sure you have one of these, or had one..
This ring is magnetic stainless steel. How would this ring be produced/made?

I dont have it ring (very rare), but I know of two qualified collectors
And they are sure that is original rings and have it ring in own collection
One ring I hold in hands and I like it.
Ring was made, stamp method
P.S. by the way , about 5 years ago on wehrmacht-awards too show the same ring , from dugs

Here it is for selling:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1525654987693466/

I don't understand, why this ring for you is very suspicious? Just because there in Europe such rings was never found? There is one found in Slovenia but without runes and now located in Bernhard Grill collection. Yes, it looks very strange, many "why?", but many of rings looks very strange. For instance I saw only few SS rings in advertisment and few on period photos. So SS rings which has no advertisement in period newspapers and no pictures of wear automatically became fake? This is really weird. This rings has no problems, all die struck. Only few known examples and only one for was for sale for many years. Here is Bernhard Grill ring which he bought from Slovenian digger almost for free. Not all came from Eastern Europe.

Did you see stainless steel WW2 German dog tags? They looks like new from the ground. Why rings can't be from stainless steel? This ring is not polished or casted - this is die struck made. Metal inside looks rough always, because it was welded.

A dog tag is very thin... This ring is not. The facets on the sides,,the pebbling on the cartouche, the lettering I would think would cause a problem on a die pressed ring.

Silver and brass are very soft and easy to work with,, Magnetic stainless is another story all together!
In fact we don't know how the ring was made . Jewelry before the war and after, stainless was not used.

No we don't need for a ring to have an advertisement to be good, but to only show up in the hands of diggers is something to think of!
Please remember,,these rings were meant for members of the Waffen SS to wear. How would they get these rings? Buy them? From where? Who made them if they were acquired in the east?

Gaspare you mistake about "Jewelry before the war and after, stainless was not used"
I show stailess rings (was dugs in a battlefilds in ex USSR) and it ring was not like this skull rings, it was ... You forget it

Two known rings with SS runes are in Russian FRJ collector collection and never was for sale in public market. One ring (right ring) came to him from Königsberg (now Kaliningrad), where was found in sea sand. Here is comparison of two rings from FRJ collection. You can see that this is same stamp.

How do u identify it as period and not post war? Any pics of guys wearing them?

That's the point. All we have is a story and rings ( I have counted 3 with runes and one without). Weired !!!

oh its very simple

It seems there are different opinions about this pattern....that happens

Here another rings...interesting, I saw 3 rings with inscription and with ss runes, two without inscription and with ss runes, and one without inscription an without runes. All in private collection and only one for sale, because digger in Russia sells his own ground found SS item collection (71 pieces). I can post original post from well known forum in Russia if you interested. Thank you

E. , I'm sure if you looked hard enough you will find a stainless ring. Many different materials were tried and used even zinc. Now zinc I can see,,,but stainless would be very hard on the tooling.

As far as trying to match up the 2 photos of the ring,,I got to disagree with you. I see many differences!

I want to believe in this ring. Finding an advert or photo in wear,,that would be great. But the fact is that most of our rings do not have adverts or in wear shots so that's ok..

- can anyone get us an accurate translation on whats around the cartouche?


[I deleted a duplicate topic about this ring,,same photos used etc.]

An der Spitze im Kampf für Deutschlands Größe.

At the top in the battle for Germany's greatness

Pretty cool inscription tho I must say - regardless of the turnout here, one of our more interesting threads and great discussion...

I wonder what expert craftsman Hapur has to say on this ring...?

yes! Hapur makes rings in both the 'investment' method and the old school way [die press].

"At the top in the battle for Germany's greatness"

For our German speakers here,,,what do you think of this writing? Or would any of the SS collectors know of this saying appearing anywhere else.
And, then he date,,1939/1940. Quite early..

I have a few problems as I mentioned before. One being the material,,does it pose a production problem. Maybe Hapur can weigh in on this.
2, that saying,,for me it kind of doesn't make sense. We know the SS didn't like their motto to be used. But why not the simple For our service time',,or similar.
3,,they all seem to be from diggers. So far none from a German veteran, or listed in a grouping..
4th,,Where did the SS soldier buy these rings? and how?. Were they made/sold from Germany? or somewhere from the Eastern Front [doubtful]..
So as Odal says,,and how I think we left off the last time with this pattern,,IF you like it great but its something we are all not going to agree on...

Hi, I posted the duplicate, wasn't aware of this one.
I'm curious.
The inscription seems somehow wrong to me, grammatically correct, but somehow not the way this sort of thing WOULD be expressed, imo.

That was MY 1st red flag! 'Who would talk like that?!' I thought... sounds like some Russian or Polish digger who doesn't REALLY speak German did that...

That's when I said I wouldn't touch this one with a stick, LOL!
Mark

Same "1939-1940" inscription I saw on german westwall rings. Lets think out of the box for a while. One of the ring was found in Kaliningrad. Battle of Koningsberg (now Kaliningrad) it was on April 1945 - almost end of the war. May be this rings are late war production for some organization with remembrance date "1939-1940" (if we talking about ring with inscription)? It could be low quantity private order and there was possible to order with inscription and with ss runes, without inscription and with ss runes and without inscription and without runes? May be such rings can't be bought, but only can be received for something else...who knows.

I would think a German SS soldier on the Russian front 44 and 45 would have a lot of things on his mind,,,a ring would not be one of them

In my opinion ring is pure fantasy. It is not made traditional way other German rings are made. Material is also wrong, no other known original rings are made in stainless steel. It is really hard to work with traditional stainless steel. However there are few modern stainless steels that are with low melting/casting temperature... you can cast them in traditional lost wax process on cheap standard equipment. Maybe it is made by die striking, not sure about this from pics. BUT, there is big BUT - cartouche die/mold looks to be made by etching or cheap 2d graver, anyway not usual way. Overall appearance is wrong. Next is inscription around cartouche - looks like modern machine print, it looks really cheap, not something you expect to see on die engraved in 40ies. I am not saying anything about text itself.
Also it would be interesting question where these were made ? in Germany? nope, haven't seen anything similar from that period made by German jewelers. If made in Russia I would expect them to look like other rings made in Russia, like Krim rings.
So I do not need it even for free.

Thanks for your opinion!

Hapur ends this thread. Let this rings owners belive what they want to belive and a new owner of offered for sale ring enjoy it in new year 2016.

And one more idea about where they might be produced.... maybe China ???

Thanks Hapur, I seen this at the start of the year minus the engraving and knew it just was not right.

Your 'opinion' is more than good enough.