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... pls have a look:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252198856245?ul_noapp=true

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Yes you are right on the mark!! grin

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Damast,
always a pleasure to meet you, my friend.
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I picked up this exact dagger at a show last Sunday, your right on the mark, it is bad, I could have bought it for £1100, do you know when these were made, they will fool a lot of people.

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Gary, that's why we are here.

The blade etching seems nice. Did you had a look on it? How it was executed? The manufacturer mark was nicely stamped?

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As some of use know (they) are making them better than the one pictured.. There was quite a new batch at Kassel this last show..
Current production..

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It would be better, guys, if you downloaded the pictures and put the key ones up here. That way it would last. The links die in a few months and no one knows what you are talking about.

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I hope someone will post the pics

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Here they are....

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The blade etch on this thing is really nicely done and the blade is very long, it has a very reasonable scabbard as well, the name on the blade did not match any style I'd seen before,the makers mark whilst in the correct style was obviously not good, very weak when you look at it in hand. The finish to the blade around the riccasso area had a vertical crossgrain, not polished at all. The weight wasn't correct as far as I am concerned, to light, the grip was a celluloid over wood core. When I say that many people will get caught out you must remember that not all collectors frequent any forums at all. I looked at this long and hard, not because I wanted to buy it but to determine just how good it was for a repro.

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Vern,

thank you for your kind help posting these photos, I was too stupid for it. ;-)

Great help!

What is important to know is that the short crossguard arms are normally a red flag for a repro, so it is here. You can spot them across the room.
But it's not always the case: http://www.germanautoandaerocorps.com/navydaggers/html/rebensburg-dolch.html

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Hi Gents,

Please take a look at this one: Imperial German Germany WW1 Alcoso Etched Naval Navy Dirk Dagger Knife

Looks like a mix of parts from different daggers. What do you think?

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Alex

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... hard to judge from these photos. Are you able to post them here? Working on an IPad it's still not possible. I have some doubts looking on an Alcoso dagger from the Imperial time. However some parts are looking old.
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Hi Hermann,
Sorry I donít have better pictures. Looks like the ones on EBay are small.
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Gentlemen,

as far as I know Alcoso firm was not a maker of german imperial navy daggers.

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The ACS Alexander Coppel Solingen Firm later known during the 30s as Alcoso most certainly did make Imperial Navy daggers.. Catalog from 1900

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Thanks, Jim.

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Alex,
As Hermann pointed out it is unusual to find an Alcoso Imperial Navy dagger. I have never actually held one in my hand in all of these years. However they supposedly made them. This piece on eBay I think could be legitimate. I can't tell if the grip is Ivory with these low resolution photos. I would want to examine it more closely and confirm that it is Ivory which is what I want to see. Having said that, the dual wrap is typical of the period. All of the parts look to be old and display similar wear and abuse. The blade buffer pad looks to not be original. The scabbard bands are an unusual style but may underscore that this is a more scarcely seen Alcoso product. Saving any concerns after examining it in person, with a bit of restoration it could be a good but well worn piece. The lack of a blade release button is a real negative. Sure, one could install a TR button but finding a period Imperial one would be very very difficult IMO. Last thought, fake Alcoso Imperial navy blades are being produced so use caution. Normally they aren't this weathered but who knows.
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Hello DAMAST,

could you show us a picture of one of them in Source catalog please?

Mann thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted By: DAMAST
The ACS Alexander Coppel Solingen Firm later known during the 30s as Alcoso most certainly did make Imperial Navy daggers.. Catalog from 1900


Jim,
you have so nice stuff, I've never seen that catalogue.
Unfortunately I've never seen an Alcoso Imperial navy dagger as well, but that doesn't mean anything. Are Navies mentioned in any of your Imperial catalogues from Alcoso? That would be fascinating to look at.
As said: Great to have you here.
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There is a full page of them in the Imperial 1900-1910 catalog pictured in my earlier post above.
Also in one of Alexander Coppel's catalogs from the 30s (showing the Von Scheer dagger and the Von Luckner Navy daggers ) (and of course the Great Hindenburg sword) there is also a Imperial Navy model number 130 next to 2 1920s style navy daggers with model numbers 1936 and 2249 So basically in the 1930s they still offered a Imperial style navy 130 available for purchase.. (this catalog also has a 1st model luft listed in it for a time line..) pre 1938 catalog....
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Very interesting bit of information Jim. I have had a number of post 1918 Imperial Navy daggers (and a sword) commonly referred to as "Veterans daggers". From their style and construction they are clearly made in the 1920's to possibly the early 1930's. Many people do not believe me that these existed. Lacking period catalog proof, many skeptics thought they were forgeries. They look nothing like todays fakes. Perhaps there is hope yet that these daggers will be accepted as legitimate.

As a corollary, the 1939 Steinhauer & Luck catalog also offers 1914 EK, Imperial Sub badge, Prussian observers and pilots badges, naval wound badges to name a few right alongside later NSDAP awards and orders. These companies would manufacturer what their customers demanded. It is easy to understand that veterans and soldiers that continued in the military after 1918 would require their hard won decorations. Also, veterans associations were very popular as they are now.
Just a thought...


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Yes, you are correct.. I collected Navy daggers years ago.
I have known for quite awhile that this was common practice to do this...... The Alcoso (Alexander Coppel) firm made some of the best presentation items out there...
They made many post 1918 Imperial style Navy daggers and presentation Imperial Navy daggers.. Matter of fact many are in current reference books..
The link below shows one great dagger made by Alexander Coppel..
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/Letters/vonLucknerDagger.html

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Hello James,

the von Luckner dagger looks to be a post 1918 dagger, right?

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I believe so. 20s??.Veterans group had it made.. The detail on the scabbard is great...
But, in answer to you other question Yes, Alexander Coppel did make Navy daggers before 1919

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Thank you, James.

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Luckner dagger: http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/...;db=kat64_M.txt

The dagger was offered to me, but I refused. For me it's not a military piece, just a devotional item. Though the dagger was nicely made. Luckners military dagger would be another thing.

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Hermann

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