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The new McSARR has just arrived in the post and I spent a good hour looking it over and seeing where my meager SA collection lands and to see my Haering blade was up north on the list. Glad you got it Mike as I could have never found another
And... that i'll keep hunting for a Evertz for my hangtag!!! I know it gotta be out there!!!
so to Dr.Mike thanks a ton for your hard work dude! and that if any of you guys dont have the list yet I think like a good reference this list is worth more than the $$ spent. Now the next task is to get the Robin Hansen guy to shell out 15 bucks!!!!
thanks again Mike!!!
Bret Van Sant

Thanks Bret- I always enjoy your enthusiasm!! Mike

Hi Mike, Have you got Hartkopf &Co in the new McSarr,as I could not find it in the old McSarr,nats

Absolutely ! MJM

Hi Mike ,thanks for your reply,can you say why that maker was not in the old McSarr, Regards nats

Yes Nats- it was a typo by the printer- this was addressed here and all were told to pencil it in as a 7 on the old list-MJM

Hi Mike,thanks again for your help,regards Stan

I was proud to help Mike on this, and at last our lists are identical.

Pay attention to the nine makers mentioned on the back side. If you find an example, please let Mike know.

Dave

So where can we get a copy of the new and improved list from? ~ Ian

Really outstanding job - an easy reference based on long term observations. I lost a few 10s and gained a few - but in looking it over I understand the rationale. I just wish that some of the other type daggers had a similar easy to use reference. Do you ever plan to rank the Gau marks within each rarity ? I know that you'r working hard on your book - any hint on when it will be out ?

Ian, there is a reference just below this on the SA forum as to how get the McSARR- I really think there is considerable improvement on this final effort. Mike. PS- to the Russian- you have much greater problems to worry about as your dog just killed the Postman-MJM

Just got my Mcsarr list in the mail today and it's great.I don't have a lot of SA's but if you only have 1 it's a must thanks Mike.Paul

Recived the new McSARR, hats off to Mike. Very informative. That's alot of work for short money.

Mike mine arrived safely yesterday in Scotland

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Originally posted by Mike McAlvanah:
Ian, there is a reference just below this on the SA forum as to how get the McSARR- I really think there is considerable improvement on this final effort. Mike. PS- to the Russian- you have much greater problems to worry about as your dog just killed the Postman-MJM

Can you post a link on where/how to buy please?

Go to the SA forum(you are already in it)- scan down the topics and stop at one titled "You may get a McSARR by mail"- I have just brought it to the top-Mike

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Originally posted by Mike McAlvanah:
Go to the SA forum(you are already in it)- scan down the topics and stop at one titled "You may get a McSARR by mail"- I have just brought it to the top-Mike

Thanks Mike. Have just sent $17.00 via Paypal. Scott

Received it, Scott- will mail today- let me know what you think- Mike

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Originally posted by Mike McAlvanah:
Received it, Scott- will mail today- let me know what you think- Mike

Will do, thanks Mike.

hi how do i get one.
thanks dippy

Go to SA forum- top entry says "You may get a McSARR via mail"- instructions there-Mike

Received on Saturday, thank Mike.

Good update and well worth a purchase.

bttt

Hi Mike,
I have found already two errors in your list.
In column 7 not Bell, Berb but Bell, Gebr. In column 8 not Spaltender but Spalteneder.

i bought the new mcsarr chart and found out my dagger had gone from being a ten to a nine,
i want my money back.

I understand your concern- please send a formal request for refund to
Secretary of State Ernst Rohm
1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington DC

Edited for politics

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Originally posted by Cool:
I take it theres no refund then Mike? these lists only make the price of a common SA dagger into something thats worth big bucks because its on a rarity scale that cant really be proven anyways IMO. Just allot of hype so that certain people can cash in on what is a common dagger anyhows regardless of the maker mark that may be on it!! these lists are nothing but a waste of money IMO and only lean towards pumping up prices because of the scale it lands on..

Cool, this is a harsh statement. Before posting such words, you should always ask yourself

"What has been my contribution so far to the community of SA dagger collectors?"

Mike did a great job with regards to survey the SA dagger market over decades and to analyze it. The result of years of work is his own rarity scale. Of course it always can be discussed if this is rather a personal assessment or analytical unbiased statistics. However, Mike clearly explains how he collected the data and that it is his personal observation over the years. IMO it´s a great list and helpful orientation for SA dagger collectors.

I appreciate Mike´s hard work very much, since it´s another piece in the giant puzzle of SA daggers. Each piece enlightens this area and it´s up to everyone to make his / her decision wether it´s useful or not.

If you don´t find it useful, well, that´s your decision and accepted. However, you should be more polite and respectful to a serious collector and well known person in the community of SA dagger collectors, who contributed much to this hobby.

So what´s your contribution besides harsh criticism?

Hi ivbaust.. harsh criticism i hear you say!! I gave my opinion on these kinds of lists as the SA dagger is not exactly rare is it?? And most folk now add $$$ to their daggers going by these rarity scales, or am I incorrect with that statement. The only true rare SA dagger is the Full Rohm from any maker, and the other SA honor daggers. All the rest you can purchase all day long!! But I ment no disrespect to Mike, and this is only my opinion regarding these rarity lists.

Mr Cool, thank you for your disjointed disapproval of my McSARR list, but I will tend to ignore your opinions as they do not seem to originate from any deep cerebral structure. Yes the list may have raised the value of some of the rarer makers, but this is the simple result of supply and demand. Years ago I noticed that I saw many more Packs than Schneiders, and undertook a retrospective analysis to try and discover the relative frequency of all the SAs.This is called research and is a part of any in-depth analysis of a topic. Most collectors have been happy with this detailed description of the relative rarity. You may certainly purchase your SAs "all day long", it's just that some people are interested in obtaining some of the difficult to find examples for their collections. I'm glad you meant no disrespect to me with your comments, as they certainly were just that. Now I can sleep easier knowing that your heart is pure.
Thank you Ingo for your support and comments- Mike

There isn't or shouldn't be a difference in value with SA daggers depending upon rarity?
Well geez. I guess that makes a Krieghoff Luger worth just about the same as a commercially marked DWM example!!
This post above strikes me as just a case of envy or sour grapes. Mike I think it's safe to ignore this guy and move on. Those of us who have been around for a while know the time and effort you put into the list.
Jim

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these lists DO pump up the prices going by where the dagger rates on the scale. all the dealers use these scales along with some greedy collectors also to increase the value of an easy to come by SA dagger. I gave my opinion on these kinds of rarity lists, and if you lot dont like it then thats not my problem!!

Colin

Colin if there is only so much of a rare maker SA i think it is worth more than a common maker SA, its the same with anything that people collect like a rare models of vintage cars, motorcycles, stamps, coins ect ect its just the way it goes in the collecting world & i & many thousands of other collectors think the same way its common sense so keep your "cool"!!, i really admire the work & time mike has put into the Mcsarr rarity scale for us SA collectors well done & thanks mike
Regards Scott.

Colin,

Take few minutes to read our Code of Conduct. The bits about being polite and avoiding insults.

Dave

Well done Mike and thanks.
I have over 115 SA daggers as part of my collection and it continues to grow. I use your list for hunting purposes. Finding those uncommon makers is always fun. Like everything in life it is supply and demand that drives prices. As long as people like me spend money in this hobby there will always be a premium to be paid for the hard to find gem.

You only need have one by EP&S but it must be the most perfect you can find. It is the same with all collecting and like all markets it is price driven.

Some of my early purchases have turned out to be uncommon and they were bought at a time when I had no list and no concept of rarity. If I had continued in that mindset then I will admit that if I ever sold one it would not matter the maker, it would have been an SA dagger in such and such condition for so much money.

As Sweezz says, it is the same for any other form of collecting. Just look at the recent spate with those 20P pieces? Why do you think the mint was offering £50.00 to buy each one back yet the coin collectors were willing to pay up to £500.00. I can assure you that if I had found one in my pocket it would have gone to a collector and not HMG.

So because the collecting fraternity is now more informed I have to pay for ranking. it does not mean that I must pay the prices asked and no one has ever forced me to buy something. Though I can assure you the list will now play a very large part in the bounty from my investments. For one reason and one reason only THE LIST EXISTS NOW! and most collectors and dealers have it for reference.

IMO though the biggest price indicators have always been condition/rarity/economics.

Once again thank you for the time and effort and let us all hope that the often hinted at book will enthrall us in a similar vein.

Regards

Frank