#33449
06/03/2009 01:21 PM
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Hi,
I need your opinions about this SS-Dagger marker B�ker Ex-R�hm.
Thanks and regards
Winfried
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#33450
06/03/2009 01:25 PM
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#33451
06/03/2009 01:25 PM
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#33452
06/03/2009 01:26 PM
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#33453
06/03/2009 01:27 PM
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#33454
06/03/2009 01:31 PM
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#33455
06/03/2009 02:40 PM
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#33456
06/03/2009 03:12 PM
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IMO, The runes button doesn't look Boker.
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#33457
06/03/2009 03:35 PM
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The grip looks thin for a Boker but it could be the pictures. Are the crossguards marked internally?
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#33458
06/03/2009 03:36 PM
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It looks OK from the pictures... Mark 
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#33460
06/03/2009 04:00 PM
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After looking at my Boker I think the one pictured is fine. Nice dagger.
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#33461
06/03/2009 04:25 PM
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I stand corrected, Thank you for pointing out that thread. however based on that thread, I find skylines 3rd pictured most resembled. That said, it appears the runes might be fatter or wider but still level accross the bottom and top of the ss letters
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#33462
06/03/2009 04:57 PM
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rune is fine for a rohm boker matches 2 of mine
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#33463
06/03/2009 07:38 PM
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@Hellracer, 100%  Gerd
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#33464
06/03/2009 09:46 PM
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I agree that it looks good. The rune button on mine the runes touch the top and bottom.
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#33465
06/04/2009 12:35 AM
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Don't worry about the sigrunes. Here is a photo of one of my Bokers.
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#33466
06/04/2009 12:38 AM
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#33467
06/04/2009 12:41 AM
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#33468
06/04/2009 12:41 AM
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#33469
06/04/2009 12:46 AM
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#33470
06/04/2009 02:43 AM
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Are all the oval logo Bokers like the one pictured in the opening of this thread ex-Rohm daggers?
I have a Boker with the same oval logo that doesn't appear to have any remnants of a dedication. The cross graining is very prominent. I'm curious whether mine might have been a Rohm at one time.
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#33471
06/04/2009 07:54 AM
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If it was ground at the factory ie professionally it would/could show crossgrain you need to examine the cross section of the blade if it was a Rohm the reverse side will be thinner than the obverse due to the grinding
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#33472
06/04/2009 10:36 AM
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You can rest assured your dagger is GOOD ONE. The runic button is also GOOD. The B�kers are equipped with "short runes type" as yours is, or "long runes" (there are also 2 types of crossguards used on B�kers). Once again, your dagger is original , blade polished too much, but genuine.
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#33473
06/04/2009 12:37 PM
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Thanks all for your replies
kind regards
Winfried
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#33474
06/04/2009 01:14 PM
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quote: Originally posted by A J:
If it was ground at the factory ie professionally it would/could show crossgrain you need to examine the cross section of the blade if it was a Rohm the reverse side will be thinner than the obverse due to the grinding
Upon examination the reverse side does not appear thinner. Is it possible that it was never etched? Thanks for your reply.
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#33475
06/04/2009 02:51 PM
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Does rune style determine year of manufacture and is one style more prominent than the others?
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#33476
06/04/2009 03:47 PM
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quote: Does rune style determine year of manufacture and is one style more prominent than the others?
I'm assuming that you meant trademark style, not rune style. Rune style indicates nothing except different rune manufacturers. All Rohm inscription daggers were produced before the Night of the Long Knives purge on June 30, 1934. Non-inscription daggers were also produced in the same time period and continued to be produced after the purge. The large trademark Boker is more common.
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#33477
06/04/2009 04:17 PM
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Hi Skyline, Thank you for your response. I did mean the button itself. Did rohm daggers use all three styles of rune button or one certain style?. does the hobby identify buttons the same way we identify chains on chain daggers. In total, how many styles of ss buttons are their. Thank you in advance
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#33478
06/04/2009 05:39 PM
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I don't think anyone pays much attention to the runes unless they suspect a fake. I think that I have seen 4-5 distinctly different original rune buttons and some possible variations of those which could be earlier or later production runs from the same company. I have a fairly extensive electronic archive of the different types.
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#33479
06/04/2009 08:54 PM
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I have not paid attention much to how many rune patterns there are but I would say that Skyline is right.
These things were minor supplier items and distributors most probably did not pay attention to which "type" was being sent to which manufacturer. I have two early Klass daggers with different runes and I have not checked other makers.
I would not reject a dagger because of the rune or eagle.
Dave
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#33480
06/06/2009 03:28 PM
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Now we are saying maybe or no because the sigrunen may not match a particular maker? I appreciate the intent of this forum but really guys...if you are not sure that is fine but 6 years ago and longer you didn't see comments posted such as " the sigrunen button doesn't match known Boker buttons"  cheers to all
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#33481
06/19/2009 03:20 AM
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I agree with Ryan..you'll also go nuts trying to identify the grip eagle variants out there..I counted at least 15 versions of the eagle in both NS and Al.Unfortunately I think that thread is long gone..
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#33482
06/21/2009 02:45 AM
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While I understand the comparing runes and eagles appears important to some collectors, the fact that Tom Johnson has period proof that minor parts were exchanged between company houses proves that you can't rely on which company used which rune button or eagle in all cases.
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#33483
06/21/2009 06:46 PM
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So Ron are you saying that these daggers were not made with us collectors in mind????
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#33484
06/21/2009 07:14 PM
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It was business as usual, just like when I ran out of a Pharmaceutical in my practice, I would borrow from the store down the street.
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#33485
06/21/2009 07:32 PM
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The rune medaillon in this dagger is 100% real and belongs to this dagger .
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#33486
06/22/2009 05:07 PM
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Makes me wonder why the dagger that screams from a mile "I'm original!" is a subject of such long discussion. To the top of it all these runes are VERY TYPICAL to B�ker daggers. Well, if someone has seen only 1 B�ker in his life (with other type of runes), then he may promote some strange theories, but for Christ sake, every kid can search internet and check how do the B�kers look like and what kind of pins one can find on them.
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#33487
06/22/2009 08:01 PM
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Congratulations, Winfried, with this great SS B�ker!
Could be posted in the R�hm section.
Best greetings,
Herman
You never have enough HJ-knifes!
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