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I thought I would put this one up for review. Found these rather bad pics of this "A" generic fitted Heer back in 2005 on a German auction sight, it went rather cheap and unfortunately not to me. Mark says "W. Cauberg est. 18?" under a Saber. These guys were a maker too!, of swords mostly seen prewar. Seen it before?? Kevin.

Never seen this maker before...

As you know there is also another thread in the WAF. There is a copy of Carter�s book concerning this certain firm.
Due to the fact that this dagger shown here has a stamped TM with the english version of the trademark (est. versus gegr.) and is obviously a late war dagger I think the applicaton of the trademark is highly suspect to me. On the other side all is possible. Unfortunately we will never know for sure when the TM had been stamped on this blade and why...
Regards,

Perhaps a distributor?

That's a good point with the "est." on there..suspect for sure. Kevin.

Dave, according to the mentioned book of Carter this trademark of a pipe was from the CLAUBERG firm around 1820 which was a manufacturer. Later on they got a trademark with a (well known) knight�s armor which was even later adopted by the WINGENS firm. All manufacturers.
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I didn't think that Clauberg was still in business during the NS period.

Gary

I have Carter's book. My thought is that the stamp was from one of what must have been hundreds of officer's sales stores. I have read that many were run as concessions.

Similar marks are seen on KM blades and miniature blades?

Interesting, thanks Dave!

... a CLAUBERG Company producing steel blades etc. can be found in the adress book of Solingen in 1931.

The est. marking sometimes was used in Germany by export orientated companies. So this must not be a red flag.

Best;
Hermann

Flyingduchman, as said, all is possible. BUT a stamped mark with a foreign (enemy!) language expression on a late in period produced dagger - personally that is suspect to me.
Regards,

Wotan,
I perfectly understand your point. But those brand names often dated back into the 19th century and the est. marking could be much older than any enemy feelings.

But of course, I can't proof my idea with any written document and I could be wrong.
Best;
Hermann

Flyingduchman, no confrontation, just an interesting discussion. I also do understand what you mean, my thoughts are that there obviously (see Carter�s book) was a "german version" of the certain mark with "gegr." (for "gegr�ndet"; istead of "est.") and I think that afirm would rather have used this version on a late period dagger.
I have to admit that due to the mass of old, original forms eg. for badges that do surface from time to time let me think that such a blade stamp of the long abandoned CLAUSBERG firm could have surfaced and a creative man would have used it on an unmarked dagger knowing this would enlarge the worth. But we also know few about small segments of the dagger/edge weapons production so it is also possible that eg. WINGEN did use the old CLAUBERG stamp out of any reason. Unfortunately we will never know but it would be very interesting.
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Great discussion and info shown, thanks Gents! I have no dog in the fight or further info unfortunately, just an interesting piece I ran into.. Kevin.