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#301743 10/27/2014 06:35 PM
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Hello,
My friend asked to put up for discussion.
Please tell me everything is okay with the swastika and with himself Hirschfanger?









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Not for me for a number of reasons, the blade etch goes in the opposite direction to the 2 others I have, the swastika clamshell is a well known post war part, everything else looks OK about it. I have yet to come across a clamshell with a swastika that I liked, this piece looks nice but is still a parts piece in my eyes, this is only my opinion, if you like it then go for it.

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Hello Gary,
Thanks for the answer.
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A very interesting piece. Has all parts (beside the clamshell which is a known fake part) of the extremely rare ALCOSO hunting dagger. Fitting of the stag gripis remarkably well done.
Nevertheless all details (pommel, crossguard, blade, upper and lower scabbard fitting - WHY THERE IS NO PIC OF THE FRONT OF THE LOWER SCABBARD FITTING?- remind me on the new "superfakes".
Also remarkable, the portepee seems to be an original one, not often to be seen.
For me someone -whoever it might be- is starting a test baloon....
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Wotan

Do you know of a known "super fake" of this type of dagger, the fittings all look OK to me, the badge matches my 2 short deluxe Alcoso's, the grip has what I think is the correct colour and age to it,I suspect the blade is not right, at least the blade etch direction is wrong and that clamshell is definitely fake. personally I think somebody had the fittings with a poor blade and has added a different blade and clamshell to try and make big bucks on it. The dagger is currently on auction with Craig Gottlieb. The knot is 100% real as I suspect is the frog, I cannot tell if the scabbard is green leather, possibly it is a very dark green as it should be on these.

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The more I look at this blade the less I like it, without having it in hand I suspect the blade has been cleaned off and a new etch applied, I have seen this before on a few blades, these blades are plated, there is a picture showing the reverse riccasso on Craigs auction site that in my opinion shows some serious cleaning and lack of plating, this blade has the long riccasso seen on these pieces, perhaps somebody with a better knowledge of Alcoso marks can comment on this one as mine is different though that may only be to it being produced within a different time frame. These short blades were also used by WKC and the etch direction (it may be that this etch is actually upside down as well) is always consistent.

I'm going to leave it there as there are also a couple of other things that don't add up on this piece, I'm not going to divulge these as I do not wish to help any fakers out there.

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Baz69, you have a pm.
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Gary,
The same thing I said to the account of the swastika to a friend.I have a photo-like etching, it is different from that presented above me.
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Regarding this hunting dagger, I am the current owner and have placed it in the CG auction. You should be aware that I bought this dagger directly from Houston Coates himself at the Tulsa gun show some few years ago. It is triple etched by the way not double etched. So if you have issues with it then perhaps the Man himself can answer them. David

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I am also quite interested in Houston Coates providing guidance concerning this dagger. I can say from my own personal experience that the quality is extremely fine when handled in person. I would be GLAD to post additional photos in the auction ... if someone will please email me with the request ... craig@historyhunter.com. The good news is that ALL items in my auction are 100% guaranteed authentic for life, so if there is a problem with this piece, the buyer will be made aware of it and be given a chance to react.

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David,
Dagger I showed that etching differs.
I have no claim to it smile
As for Craig's dagger I've never met before such.It would be great to see another one such an example.
Vitaliy

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As an aside, I was under the impression that triple etched blades have not been faked up to now. Is this correct?

And, this is a triple etch, as we are told.

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Yes it is a triple etched blade although it is not shown in the CG auction photos. The clam shell patina matches the other fitting exactly. I bought this dagger from Houston with the clear understanding that it was an original untouched dagger, and very rare. There was no consideration that it was a parts dagger. David

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Originally Posted By: JohnZ
As an aside, I was under the impression that triple etched blades have not been faked up to now. Is this correct?

And, this is a triple etch, as we are told.

John


They have NEVER stopped triple etching blades.. smile

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I agree.. I have owned quite a few post war triple etched Hirschfangers..Kevin.


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Craig
You owe me a beer for advertising smile
Cool !!!
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I see the auction has a finished, I hope the next owner is happy with his or her purchase.

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Well as a post script to this thread, I was digging through paperwork this morning I came across the TWO PAGE FORMAL CERTIFICATE of AUTHENTICITY given to me by Houston Coates in 2006 when I bought the dagger outlining in detail every single minute aspect of this dagger including his opinion on the clam shell as original third Reich, the blade cross guards handle etc. and his qualifications to make such an opinion as a MAX dealer etc. Needless to say I will make sure the owner has it. David

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Great, David. Can you post the certificate from Houston? Thanks for sharing. It was the LAST item from our auction to close ... there was a battle between two advanced collectors.


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Well that makes it all right then !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted By: Baz69
Well that makes it all right then !!!!!!!!!!!!

Gary


No question, a dagger for the very very very advanced collector!

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I didn't get it, darn!

But, then I wasn't bidding on it either.

My advanced collection doesn't deserve this. wink

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Way too 'advanced' for mine. laugh

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Here's another one for the advanced collector, perhaps the guy who lost out on the Alcoso might like this one.

Gary

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Gary,it's a fake copy:)

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Originally Posted By: alien
Gary,it's a fake copy:)

Vitaliy


yes I believe that's the point being made.

Still if the advanced collector gets cold they can always use the COA to start their fire wink


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Originally Posted By: alien
Gary,it's a fake copy:)

Vitaliy


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Here's another one, this one is one of old Herman Goring's pieces, look at that clamshell, don't you just love it, for those guys out there that think it's real, a bargain at Euro 15000.

Gary

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Baz69, thank you for showing. A true piece of art to be hunt by the IV.Reich collector......
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hi David,
Do you still have this dagger ?

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you know to whom it was sold ?

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Nice one!


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